Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by bedobi on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @03:20PM
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there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes
how do people show up to work at Google, Apple etc?
through everything from "not dying from preventably disease in adolescence" to "being educated in public schools" to "being carried to work on roads and transit paid for by the public"
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @05:34PM
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> there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes
As in if I am a private plumber who does jobs for people, my job is subsidised by taxes?
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by bedobi on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @06:00PM
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Yes. Who do you think laid the infrastructure for people to get water and sewers in the first place?
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @06:12PM
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That depends on the city. If it was originally a company town, probably the company. If it's a new build, probably the property developer. But either way, something that already exists is not subsidising the plumber's salary. The plumber is paid by the customer.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by underlipton on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @07:32PM
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Anything built post-GD (which is going to be the vast majority of what you service) was likely touched by government subsidy in some fashion, whether grants, loans, or municipal bonds (tax-exempt, so effectively a subsidy). "Company towns" built before then were often subsidized, in effect, by companies not having to bear the financial burden of their many, many instances of illegal or rights-infringing behavior.
That's not considering your customers, who are likely also subsidized by the government in some fashion - if their jobs do not involve federal or state government contracts or supplying or servicing companies holding such contracts, they're almost certainly taking advantage of advantageous tax rebates or deductions.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by robertlagrant on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:57AM
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You could equally say that tax money is all private money, so really it's all private. It's silly to talk about the provenance of money in these topics.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by underlipton on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:33PM
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You absolutely cannot. That's the entire point.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by underlipton on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:34PM
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>If those jobs are paid for by voluntary customers
>If they're subsidised through taxes of people who don't want them
Yes.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by robertlagrant on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:58AM
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If they're subsidised, they're not paid for by voluntary customers.
Re:Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions int...
by underlipton on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:35PM
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False dichotomy. Labor can be funded by multiple sources at the same time.
If those jobs are paid for by voluntary customers, then that's fine. If they're subsidised through taxes of people who don't want them, that's the issue I'm mentioning.