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Re:How do neural networks learn? by SiempreViernes on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @06:31AM (#39754389)
And how is that different from resolving the question?
Re:How do neural networks learn? by passwordoops on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @06:52AM (#39754477)
The problem still exists
Re:How do neural networks learn? by SiempreViernes on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @06:57AM (#39754516)
I thought problem was you couldn't get anywhere because of the question, but you're saying the problem is the question didn't get an answer that satisfies your taste?
Re:How do neural networks learn? by passwordoops on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @07:10AM (#39754585)
The problem, as stated by the parent, is that it is "still pretty unclear at a fundamental level what it means to understand, learn, or conceptualize things."

Which Wittgenstein didn't resolve, he describes how to kick the can down the road. Which is fine, every science needs to make assumptions to move on, but in no way is that a "resolution" to the problem of "what it means to understand, learn, or conceptualize things."

Re:How do neural networks learn? by jojobas on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @08:20AM (#39754977)
A strict definition is almost never required outside maths. We got so far being unable to define "woman" it turns out.

The most naive meaning of understanding, such as "demonstrating ability to apply a concept to a wide range of situations" is good enough for many cases, Goedel be damned.

Re:How do neural networks learn? by passwordoops on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @09:46AM (#39755693)
Agree. But computers are applied math. So it stands to reason that neutral networks require a strict definition
Re:How do neural networks learn? by jojobas on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @08:38PM (#39761821)
Your brain is a neural network. All education is therefore applied maths as well, right?
Re:How do neural networks learn? by logicchains on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @06:56AM (#39754508)
The problem doesn't exist in a meaningful sense if one can't define it clearly. Might as well say the wellabigomboopita still exists.