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Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by ktizo on Monday May 14, 2012 @09:47PM (#3974437)
I wonder if some enterprising soul could park up some old cruise liners and rent them out if the building regulations are that much of a problem.
Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by pavel_lishin on Monday May 14, 2012 @10:05PM (#3974488)
Like BlueSeed? http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/06/blueseed-startup-ship/

(How do I create a link on HN again? The one place where a "help me with formatting" link would do some good - the reply page (http://i.imgur.com/R8oS8.png) - of course doesn't have one.)

(Edit: Turns out the "edit" page does have it, and shows that there really isn't a way.)

Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by ktizo on Monday May 14, 2012 @10:15PM (#3974518)
Oooo.. that's nice, but a pricey way to do it.

Buying existing liners, rafting them up and retrofitting would seem like a more achievable aim in practice.

You could probably get some off Costa at the moment for less than the market rate.

Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by pavel_lishin on Monday May 14, 2012 @10:57PM (#3974631)
I admit to knowing nothing about real estate, and even less about ocean liners, but it seems that an ocean liner - even at sub-market rates - would be ridiculously expensive to buy, and then merely ludicrously expensive to operate.

Sure, you're not burning a ton of fuel a minute plowing through dolphins and kelp, but you still need to generate power to operate all of the on-board facilities such as electricity, plumbing, elevators, etc. Would the city allow an entrepreneur to run a fat power cable onto a sitting ship - leaving aside political implications of a big honkin' vessel blocking the ocean view, are there even any regulations written for it?

Based only on what I've read of jwz just attempting to put a door in a nightclub wall, it seems that a hostile takeover over San Francisco, followed by some summary executions of most of the city government and a formal secession from the United States of America would be easier.

Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by ars on Monday May 14, 2012 @11:32PM (#3974734)
Why can't the ship generate its own power? Is a power plant can do it, so can a ship - it's large enough to be able to make the generator efficient enough. Load it up with LNG every one in a while - LNG is transported by sea all the time anyway.

If you plan ahead you can pipe the LNG throughout the ship for cooking, and maybe even heating.

Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by pavel_lishin on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @11:03AM (#3976870)
It can absolutely generate its own power. But then you have to pay to ship a whole lot of diesel onto your ship. I'm betting that the liner's efficiency is a heck of a lot less than a local power plant's, since I assume that a line is optimized to move a screw through water, with electric power being a lower priority.

You could also build a better power plant on the ship, but that's not free, either.

Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by ktizo on Saturday May 19, 2012 @02:10AM (#3995220)
Modern vessels use electric motors powered by a generator to move the screw anyway.
Re:Why the San Francisco Bay Area should have 11 million res... by rdl on Monday May 14, 2012 @09:52PM (#3974450)
You would probably want to put them off half moon bay and 12+ nm out, so you can get the immigration benefit as well.