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Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by gruez on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:44AM (#39712686)
>The buying up of precious housing as investments by non-residents should mostly be banned, starting with institutional and overseas investors.

What's the issue with them buying houses as investments, as long as they're being rented out? If that's the case, their net effect on the housing supply is zero.

>maybe also imprisoned.

I find it extremely disturbing that people are effectively demanding for bill of attainders for jail sentences for what are basically zoning violations.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by cdchn on Friday March 15, 2024 @03:05AM (#39712790)
>What's the issue with them buying houses as investments, as long as they're being rented out?

Because it prevents people from owning and now have to be permanent renters because of somebody's greedy rent seeking behavior.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by gruez on Friday March 15, 2024 @04:38AM (#39713375)
Sounds like the actual problem is that landlords can engage in "greedy rent seeking behavior" at all. Allowing people to opt out, but only if they can afford a 6 figure downpayment and keep 7 figure amounts of their wealth parked in a single non-productive asset that's highly correlated with their job prospects is an imperfect solution to say the least. Everyone deserve protections from "greedy rent seeking behavior", not just the people who are in a position to buy.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Repulsion9513 on Friday March 15, 2024 @04:57AM (#39713477)
How does that happen when all the houses are being purchased as investments to rent out (or not, as often happens)?
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Spivak on Friday March 15, 2024 @09:52AM (#39715477)
Good lord man what first time homebuyer is putting down $100k down payments? I just bought a nice house in a well established in demand neighborhood and my total cost down was less than $30k. No assistance program, no special deal, definitely not a cheap house oof this market.

Are you trying to buy 2M+ houses?

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by mauvehaus on Friday March 15, 2024 @11:03AM (#39716556)
Was your <$30K down a <20% down payment and are you paying PMI as a result? I totally understand that %20 down is a big pile of money to conjure up, but PMI wouldn't have been cheap for us had we been unable to conjure it.

Our cost to close was under $100k with a 20% down payment, but still substantial. And yes, we were first time homebuyers. Obviously we did not buy anything approaching 2M.

With closing costs of $10k-15k, 100k doesn't even break a half million at 20% down. That's (sadly) not even table stakes in e.g. most parts of Boston.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Spivak on Friday March 15, 2024 @11:39AM (#39716946)
We were ready to drop 20% on the house because like you I was also scared of PMI but when we ran the numbers with the bank the cost was small enough that it didn't make one iota of difference in the long run so we paid 5% down and have a very flush emergency fund.

Someone with good credit and currently renting would be nuts to "wait and save" for even 1 year because the total cost of PMI was like 6mo of our rent and accounting for paying it off over time with inflation it's probably even less than that in real dollars.

Maybe we got lucky with PMI but googling a bit it doesn't seem that out of line with the calculators.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by Repulsion9513 on Friday March 15, 2024 @04:56AM (#39713472)
Al Capone got a jail sentence for not paying his taxes.

There's no bill of attainder involved when you break a law that existed before you were even born.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by jajko on Friday March 15, 2024 @10:32AM (#39716195)
This is quite common trope here among young generation, feeling left out of property ownership like its some basic human right guaranteed by UN charter. Like previous generations were not left out of same/other stuff as well. That the post you respond to is not flagged tells you quite something... Too often these folks have outright communist mindset to set the world as it suits their current needs, which to somebody like me being raised in pretty hard oppression and practically slavery from russians is a proper insult.

There are whole highly developed countries (higher than US for example in terms of personal freedom, ie Switzerland) who simply don't have home ownership as something usual and folks focus on actual quality aspects of living. Populations are consistently among the happiest (and healthiest) in the world.

Correlation != causation but maybe not joining property rat race (which was always the case, just tools were few and apart for most) has some significant benefits. And if its just about safe investing then we moved topic completely elsewhere, back to good ol' universal greed.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by closeparen on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:52PM (#39717828)
Countries where middle class people rent have pretty "communist" tenant protection regimes. Being perpetually 30 days from a potential eviction is not a position most people can or should be okay with.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by jajko on Friday March 15, 2024 @03:47PM (#39719909)
Feels a bit pointless to explain basics but I'll bite for the others - I dont know which country is like that, definitely not Switzerland, not Germany, France, Czech republic nor Slovakia (listing personal multiyear experiences).

Neither of them has any (significant) rent control, definitely abolute 0 for young and able, and people have rental agreements which run easily decade(s).

Ie in France its the opposite - owners are properly scared of long term rentals, since rentees can trivially just stop paying and it will take you 6+ month of courts to have an attempt on evicion. They can trash the place and no real recourse. Not empty threat neither, everybody knows such a case personally. Thus everybody -> airbnbs. Blame the system if you grok the situation, french one is one of the worst in the west.

Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by watwut on Saturday March 16, 2024 @04:31PM (#39729246)
Slovakia and Czech Republic and Germany all have tenant protections. That is not the same as rent control, but you can't be kicked out randomly.
Re:Why are most sofas so bad? by antifa on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:18AM (#39744032)
> Too often these folks have outright communist mindset to set the world as it suits their current needs, which to somebody like me being raised in pretty hard oppression and practically slavery from russians is a proper insult.

The cost of houses in my area went up $100k less than 2 years after I bought my house. The cost of food where I doubled in less than 20 years. Rent went up $1000.

Sorry that people wanting "affordable housing" is an insult to you. I'm sure when the Neo-Maoists promise to massacre landlords, the masses of rentcells out there are surely going to take your sob story seriously and choose to live in good American style "practically slavery" and choose not to join them. Surely they think your comment comes across as empathetic and understanding, not callous and dismissive.