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Re:Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theo... by BenoitP on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:29AM (#39701338)
> Neither Poincare nor Lorentz are relevant to the genesis of General Relativity

Well, that's just plain wrong. From the horse's mouth:

> As we know, this is connected with the relativity of the concepts of "simultaneity" and "shape of moving bodies." To fill this gap, I introduced the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light, which I borrowed from H. A. Lorentz's theory of the stationary luminiferous ether, and which, like the principle of relativity, contains a physical assumption that seemed to be justified only by the relevant experiments

More from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute

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Re:Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theo... by mr_mitm on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:39AM (#39701382)
This quote is about special relativity.
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Re:Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theo... by BenoitP on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:28AM (#39701583)
Which is the source for General Relativity, which suffered too from an attribution dispute with Hilbert's works.

My point being: science doesn't happen in a vacuum, and is not totally ordered

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Re:Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theo... by mr_mitm on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:28AM (#39701863)
>science doesn't happen in a vacuum

Yes, everybody agrees, but you specifically responded to the statement that Poincaré and Lorentz had nothing to do with GR. You said that statement was wrong, but it looks more like you confused SR and GR, which are two entirely different beasts.

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Re:Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theo... by BenoitP on Thursday March 14, 2024 @06:32AM (#39702176)
Well the comment by pnin made it about GR, when the parent by boringuser2 was about the general contributions to relativity, both SR and GR. I believe "general theory of relativity" to be different than "general relativity" here, the former encompassing both SR and GR. Maybe that's where our misunderstanding comes from. Also, if you believe that GR has absolutely nothing to do with SR, then no Lorentz has no relevance to the genesis of General Relativity.

Anyway I don't believe we're having a discussion worth having here.

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