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Re:House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner... by esoterica on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:16PM (#39696867)
If you truly believe in the principles of free speech, no matter how offensive and evil and cynically motivated, then the logical conclusion of that belief is that adversarial foreign governments have the right to propagandize in America and to Americans. If you abandon your principles the moment someone invokes the foreign menace then you don’t really have principles.

People like to think of themselves as being pro-freedom because it’s hip and cool and they are brainwashed from a young age to be proud to live in “the land of the free” but the moments you interrogate those beliefs a little they start to fall apart. It’s more of a political aesthetic than a true belief system.

Re:House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner... by riversflow on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:44PM (#39697231)
I don’t think freedom of speech should be given to any collective. Individuals should enjoy it as an absolute right, but a corporation is a legal construct undeserving of such natural rights.

A similar example, people should be able to freely assemble, corporations should not be able to form cartels.

Re:House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner... by maximinus_thrax on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @07:24PM (#39698777)
> If you truly believe in the principles of free speech, no matter how offensive and evil and cynically motivated (...)

No, nobody truly believes that. Whoever is trying to sell that is trying to manipulate you. We have exceptions, provisions and considerable case law which adds a lot of *) to the first amendment. The 'principles' you're referring to have never actually been a thing outside of political emotional speeches and Republican rallies.

None of us have been alive when America was in a hot war to see exactly how far free speech stretches when actual lives are at stake. We're in a cold war right now and people should adjust their expectations. I'm not shedding any tears when a foreign corporation has its 'free speech' rights restricted. If it wants free speech it should move to the USA.

Re:House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner... by andiareso on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:21AM (#39703642)
Freedom of speech isn't a blanket everything-goes. The government can impose time and place restrictions on where and when you can express yourself. So to me, getting rid of TikTok is restricting place. You can very well express yourself on other platforms if TikTok is removed from the U.S. marketplace.