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Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by jfoster on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @11:02PM (#39687670)
I thought this part was interesting, in the Discussion:

> Park et al reported that daily consumption of 200 mL of pomegranate vinegar for 8 weeks significantly reduced total fat mass in overweight or obese subjects compared with the control group without significantly affecting body weight and BMI.

If total fat mass decreases without significantly affecting body weight or BMI, that suggests a change in composition, doesn't it?

The pomegranate vinegar study they reference is this one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S17564...

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by slowmovintarget on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @11:54PM (#39687948)
If BMI is unaffected, wouldn't that mean muscle loss as well?

You'd think you'd want BMI to be affected.

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by Yodel0914 on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @12:01AM (#39687984)
> If BMI is unaffected, wouldn't that mean muscle loss as well?

For a given person, BMI is equivalent to weight (because height is fixed). If fat went down, but weight/BMI stayed the same, that would indicate an increase in the non-fat components of body weight.

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by giblfiz on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @12:01AM (#39687987)
Nope BMI is just a "weight to height" ratio ( https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/bmitool... )

This can lead to some funny errors in edge cases, like Mr.Universe Arnold being morbidly obese according to BMI

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by didgeoridoo on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @12:01AM (#39687982)
BMI is purely a weight/height calculation. If BMI is unchanged that just means total weight is unchanged — meaning, if fat was lost, muscle must have been gained.
Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by alliao on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @12:03AM (#39687996)
my reading is no change in mass but less fat, meaning gained muscle instead of muscle loss...
Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by jfoster on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:14AM (#39689117)
That's what I was thinking when I read it, but it seems strange that it isn't explicitly mentioned.

It also seems quite surprising to me that drinking pomegranate vinegar would increase muscle. Makes me wonder if there's something I'm missing.

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by jb_gericke on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @01:21PM (#39694420)
Which doesn’t really make sense, as drinking ACV alone will definitely not result in a body recomp/the addition of muscle (every meat head lifter, myself included, would be drinking a few bottles a day in that case).
Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by qingcharles on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @01:06AM (#39688286)
It could have changed their height...

... I'll see myself out.

Re:Apple cider vinegar for weight management by vfvthunter on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:37AM (#39692659)
They're misquoting Park et al. The PV study reduced visceral fat. If you take anything (including coffee) that results in lipolysis, and then don't burn the newly freed fats off with activity, it just goes (re-deposits) somewhere else. Specific to the PV paper, it resulted in a redistribution of the fat from VAT to SAT.

TL;DR: Pomegranate vinegar shifts fat from omentum to subcutaneous tissue. It does not increase muscle mass.