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Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by pc86 on Monday March 11, 2024 @09:58AM (#39668317)
I can't articulate why but I feel like "vegan Vegan meat" is more grammatically correct than "Vegan vegan meat."
Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by DiggyJohnson on Monday March 11, 2024 @03:27PM (#39672308)
Your intuitions are correct. We follow modifier ordering in English. Most aren’t aware of it.

You can start here: https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/grammar/english-gram...

Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by shiroiushi on Monday March 11, 2024 @09:34PM (#39675212)
It's amazing: I only learned about that when I when I was middle-aged, reading some internet article. But as a native English speaker, I subconsciously already knew this rule, somehow, like it's hard-wired somehow. They never taught this to us in school.
Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @12:24AM (#39676181)
They don’t need to teach you this. I don’t see why that’s an oversight. There’s much to being fluent in a language like this that we take for granted.
Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by shiroiushi on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @03:08AM (#39676893)
That's what I mean: you just learn it by being immersed in the language and hearing it every day and only knowing that language, so you learn to use it the way everyone around you uses it. So there's actual rules to the language that, as a native speaker, you're not even aware are rules. It probably took some ESL person to notice this rule even existed, and to figure out how it actually worked and write it down.
Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by amarant on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:03AM (#39692096)
Reading this link, I'm wondering if my initial formulation wasn't correct after all? It depends on how you categorize "vegan" but in the link they state that "material" is the only group of adjectives that comes after "nationality", and of the categories listed, I'd say vegan fits the "material" category best?

Or am I misinterpreting something?

English is my second language, but I do want to speak it as well as possible, hence my efforts to understand this topic. I do apologise for pestering you all with these questions tho.

Re:Jupiter's ocean moon Europa, thought to be habitable, may... by amarant on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:15AM (#39689435)
You're probably right! I sometimes unconsciously apply Swedish grammar to the English language. Thanks for pointing it out to me, TIL!