Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video]

Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by infinite8s on Thursday March 07, 2024 @04:31PM (#39634821)

Bret Victor's DynamicLand seems to be a direct descendent of many of these ideas. RealTalk's reactive DB combines Linda tuplespace ideas with LISP 71 pattern matching and reactive semantics. Each Realtalk object is self contained and can't be 'messed with' externally. It's all introspective and reconfigurable, etc

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by kragen on Thursday March 07, 2024 @05:59PM (#39635682)

yes, agreed. you may or may not be aware that bret was a principal investigator at yc harc, along with vi hart, dan ingalls, john maloney, yoshiki ohshima (who posted this video), and alex warth, at least three of whom were at vpri. yc harc was sorta kinda headed by alan kay https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/harc

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by infinite8s on Thursday March 07, 2024 @06:25PM (#39635893)

Yep, was definitely aware. It just seems like of all the projects at HARC, this is the only one that branched out from Alan's earlier ideas. The set of papers on https://worrydream.com/refs/ gives a good idea of some of the inspirations behind DL.

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by kragen on Friday March 08, 2024 @08:54AM (#39641052)

btw, is there a lisp 71, or do you mean larry tesler's lisp70?

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by infinite8s on Friday March 08, 2024 @04:04PM (#39646475)

Sorry I meant Tesler's Lisp70 - http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/stanford/sail/lisp70patmatch_Fe...

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by kragen on Friday March 08, 2024 @07:46PM (#39648274)

thanks!

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by octed on Friday March 08, 2024 @11:43AM (#39642838)

Do you know anywhere where one can look into dynamicland more deeply? I've been interested in playing around with it for a while (hopefully I can get my hands on a projector lol) but have never found any details. Omar Rizwan's website had a cool post on geokit but that was all I managed to find.

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by kragen on Friday March 08, 2024 @01:54PM (#39644610)

you'll probably have to talk to the dynamicland folks; i'm not sure what their current strategy is for getting it out into the world, but it doesn't seem to be the obvious 'upload the software to gitlab and hope for the best' approach

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by infinite8s on Friday March 08, 2024 @04:00PM (#39646425)

Bret plans on publishing everything this Spring - https://twitter.com/worrydream/status/1753116042254340526

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by kragen on Friday March 08, 2024 @07:46PM (#39648271)

that sounds very appealing, but it doesn't say he's publishing everything

> Dynamicland's new research website will be up in the spring.

> current status:

> 1156 pages

> 11,120 images

> 693 videos

> 56 pdfs

(https://nitter.privacydev.net/worrydream/status/175311604225...)

noticeably missing from this list is source code, unless that's on the 1156 pages

i'm sure i'll devour them eagerly, though

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by infinite8s on Friday March 08, 2024 @04:07PM (#39646507)

Omar has a new project in the same vein as DynamicLand called Folk - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39241472

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Re:Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 21, 2024 [video] by octed on Saturday March 09, 2024 @11:54PM (#39656814)

I found out about this a few months ago through Cristobal's blog: https://cristobal.space/. Somehow didn't notice how the post mentions Omar's involvement at the top lol. Thanks anyway tho.

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