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Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by Terr_ on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:49PM (#39632113)
This doesn't sit well with me, even with the disclaimer. I think it's because:

1. It suggests that there's a distinct objective/legalistic blocker to Ukraine's membership, when in reality the bar is "whatever existing NATO members want."

2. Even if #1 and Ukraine tried it, the benchmark is fundamentally unfair/unrealistic/unworkable. In this particular case, Putin would instantly declare-ownership over more Ukrainian territory, over and over, indefinitely.

Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by u320 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @01:39PM (#39632885)
There is a legal blocker and that is the war. Nato can not admit a member that is at war with Russia without starting a huge war.
Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by ProjectArcturis on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:56PM (#39632224)
Putin is attacking Ukraine as hard as he can. We don't need to worry about provoking more aggression out of him.
Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by Terr_ on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:59PM (#39632272)
That seems like a non-sequitur, did you intend to reply to a different comment/thread?
Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by ProjectArcturis on Thursday March 07, 2024 @01:07PM (#39632374)
No, I'm responding to your last sentence.
Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by Terr_ on Thursday March 07, 2024 @03:13PM (#39634069)
I still don't understand why you think I'm "worried" about someone "provoking" Putin.

If anything it's the opposite: There's no point trying to avoid provoking Putin because he's a dishonest actor and has/will feign a grievance for any reason that benefits him. Conciliatory gestures won't be reciprocated.

Re:Sweden Is a NATO Member by libertine on Thursday March 07, 2024 @01:28PM (#39632718)
I think it's a matter of changing the rules, just like Russia does so freely, I think it's about time NATO does the same thing.

Even if that meant that NATO would be in direct conflict with Russia, then it would be solved between NATO and Russia.

>2. Even if #1 and Ukraine tried it, the benchmark is fundamentally unfair/unrealistic/unworkable. In this particular case, Putin would instantly declare-ownership over more Ukrainian territory, over and over, indefinitely.

If sovereign countries' security depends on what delusional dictators write on a piece of paper, then this isn't much of a world worth living in.

Long story short, Putin can claim whatever it wants, in the eyes of the UN, Ukraine has its 1991 borders and that's where they should remain no matter what - even if it means a direct conflict with NATO. Enough with this bluff bullsht.

Are Russians, who live in one of the largest countries in the world filled with resources, going to commit collective suicide because of Ukraine?