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Re: by throwaway894345 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:34PM (#39622638)
Most of the time (read: every time) when I see people talking about journalist casualties in Gaza, they're doing so to imply or support the claim that Israel is deliberately targeting journalists, and when they compare journalist casualties in Gaza with other conflicts, they virtually never make mention of the relevant factors that might cause more journalist fatalities apart from the 'deliberate targeting' hypothesis. So no, usually the point is not to compare the structures of war or otherwise gain a greater understanding, it's usually to suggest that journalists are being targeted.
Re: by woooooo on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:31PM (#39624071)
The Israelis are the ones setting those parameters and creating the conditions, though. It's not a "gotcha" to point out that journalists are also affected along with the other noncombatants.
Re: by throwaway894345 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:41PM (#39624137)
> It's not a "gotcha" to point out that journalists are also affected along with the other noncombatants.

It is a pretty massive gotcha when you're alleging or implying that Israel is deliberately targeting journalists but all you can muster is evidence that journalists are not being targeted but are rather being killed at rates of other civilians. And for whatever it's worth, I'm not pro-Netanyahu nor am I supportive of the way this war is being prosecuted. But the point about journalists just feels lazy; if people are going to imply that Israel is targeting journalists, then offer up some persuasive evidence.

Re: by Qem on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:33PM (#39624792)
> but all you can muster is evidence that journalists are not being targeted but are rather being killed at rates of other civilians.

No, they are being killed at much faster rate, to the point of depletion in relation to other civilians. Look at this plot: https://imgur.com/a/SWNSYOn

In my first post in this thread I did a detailed estimate that for the curve to bend this way, the journalists must be decimated with odds between 51:1 - 96:1 higher when compared to other civilians. This post got heavily downvoted and now sits at the bottom of the thread, but you can read the full explanation there.

Re: by kaba0 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:33AM (#39625367)
Is it actually a reasonable assumption that journalists die at the same rate as civilians? Arguably, journalists are much more susceptible to go to dangerous places, close to actual combat, etc, for better videos.
Re: by hef19898 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @04:13AM (#39626879)
Dying for better vidoes and clicks is an influencer thing.
Re: by Qem on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:42PM (#39631985)
In my estimates I used a biased urn model. Given the number of remaining journalists is very small when compared to total population (hundreds vs. millions), the final proportions should still be similar, unless the risk disparity is huge enough to overcome the effect of four order of magnitude difference in absolute number between groups.
Re: by throwaway894345 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @04:40PM (#39634891)
I'm not disputing this, to be clear.