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Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by dheera on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:16PM (#39610754)
Can we just do something about taxes? People would be able to pay for stuff if the government didn't steal so much of their money.

After the recent few years of inflation middle class is now subject to higher tax brackets than ever, and poverty class is being taxed at almost 30% if you include some states' state tax.

Then there are property taxes which should be abolished, or else landlords just pass them onto renters, which means poverty class now pays the taxes of the rich.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by BHSPitMonkey on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:50PM (#39610965)
> After the recent few years of inflation middle class is now subject to higher tax brackets than ever, and poverty class is being taxed at almost 30% if you include some states' state tax.

Under the 2023 tax codes, a single filer in California would have to have an household income of $118,250 in order to see a 30% effective tax rate across federal and state taxes combined. I understand $118k might not go as far as it used to (depending on the specific location), but that's hardly the "poverty class". Under the same conditions, a $50,000 income would see an 18.84% effective rate.

Both calculations assume the standard deduction is used; common tax credits and deductions would bring the effective rate lower. These were calculated using: https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator

I don't disagree with the premise that taxes, both federally and at state levels, could be more progressive than they already are, ceteris paribus. Property and sales taxes are broken in this regard, and the obscenely wealthy have too many pathways to avoid contributing meaningfully to the nation's collective tax burden.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by twoodfin on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @09:42PM (#39611651)
Don’t forget Californians pay at least a 7.25% sales tax.

And counting only individual FICA taxes is really just an accounting trick.

Merely accounting for employer FICA “contributions”, and $70K in California gets you to a 30% marginal rate.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by dheera on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @09:49PM (#39611705)
$118k is close to poverty class in the bay area if you have a family.

For someone fresh out of college who can live in half a bedroom in a moldy group house, bike everywhere, and never see a doctor even in emergency, it's barely okay, but that income isn't sustainable.

Median income is $175k in SF and $181k in SJ, by the way.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by throwway120385 on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:23PM (#39610792)
The world is a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be.
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by chiefalchemist on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:36PM (#39610873)
Is it? The government wants to persist and history shows it/they will do what it can to do so.

Whether that's direct taxes or other means of financial manipulation (e.g., printing more money), govs do whatever it takes to avoid chaos and persist.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by op00to on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @08:18PM (#39611168)
That’s literally why I pay my taxes. To avoid chaos.
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by chiefalchemist on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @07:37AM (#39615261)
And the gov runs deficits and prints money (read: indirectly taxing) to avoid the chaos of raising taxes. We're paying but in ways that are less transparent.
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by op00to on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @09:00AM (#39616032)
So what?
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by chiefalchemist on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:36AM (#39617042)
You're being taxed and you don't even know it. That's what.
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by op00to on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @08:17PM (#39611162)
You can live in a cesspool if you want. The rest of us will be over here with public sewers taking our poop away.
Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by moate on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:47PM (#39610948)
Weird that “the wealthy abuse the poor” is literally part of your complaint but you’re not focusing on them and instead the only group that could potentially rectify that without violent revolution.(please note: “could” is doing a lot of work in the previous sentence and I understand that many of those in government are there to ensure the right for the wealthy to continue this abuse).

Do you believe landlords would lower rents tomorrow if their tax was lower absent any other force incentivizing them to pass that profit back? I’m pretty sure there was a post on here a few days ago about how current rent pricing software used by many many people may be violating price fixing laws.

Do you think that without regulation banks would be better? That somehow the process of reigning in their avarice is causing it? When has that ever historically been true, as almost any era or un/deregulation coincides with massive wealth disparity.

Re:New Federal Rule Caps Credit Card Late Fees at $8 by callalex on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:21AM (#39612884)
Why don’t you choose to live somewhere like Somalia or Haiti?