Re:Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for goo...
by carlosjobim on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:34AM
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>That does not mean the large majority of EU citizens seriously thinks the EU should be replaced with something else.
Who are you quoting when you write "large majority"? I wrote "maybe half", and that's my assessment from talking to people. As for the UK, that's still to be seen. The last time they decided to stand on the side of European unification, it turned out they made the right choice – while still paying a very high price for that choice.
Re:Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for goo...
by Sharlin on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @12:23PM
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And how biased is your sample? Also, of course we have to have a baseline of being even reasonably informed of the cost/benefit landscape. People who are actively being lied to don’t and cannot count.
Re:Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for goo...
by carlosjobim on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @01:15PM
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People who have a different opinion than you do, do not and cannot count, got it. Because clearly they've been lied to. Your attitude is exactly why I recommend hackers here to go talk to people in real life about these things.
> Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU.
Are you sure these two claims aren't contradictory? Go on, give it a few minutes of thought.
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Let us be perfectly clear here. People in the EU love to grumble about the EU, like every single human being everywhere loves to grumble about their government. Like all systems made of humans, the EU has big flaws, which everybody acknowledges, although they might not completely agree on what exact set of traits counts as flaws.
That does not mean the large majority of EU citizens seriously thinks the EU should be replaced with something else. Even less so now that the UK went and made itself a cautionary tale of what may happen when you try too hard to use said grumbling as a political tool to pursue your own selfish interests.