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Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by laconian on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:10PM (#3960211)
Some friends of mine are yelling "see? our tax code is pushing capital overseas!" My argument is, that with $4B at stake, even if we had a "reasonable" income tax, people like this would still seek out tax havens where the burden is even lower still.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by DanielBMarkham on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:15PM (#3960234)
So you agree with your friends that people act in their best interests, including changing citizenship, when it comes to taxes, you just disagree on the amount of money it would take?
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by _delirium on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:29PM (#3960306)
I don't think it's true for the vast majority of people. Most Americans, including most wealthy Americans, are happy to be Americans, even if they aren't happy about everything in the US. Rejecting your home country for monetary reasons is a fairly drastic action, and only a very small number of people take it. I mean, you don't see Bill Gates moving to Monaco or anything. Not even very-rich people with libertarian politics, like Larry Ellison or the Koch brothers, are itchin' to leave the country.

In fact the number is even smaller than the raw number of renunciations. A spot-check at the list of renunciations suggests that most are actually people who in practice ceased to be Americans long ago, or in some cases never were. Some were born overseas to American parents and have never lived in the US; one actor on the list is of Italian origin and moved back to Italy 40 years ago; etc. Apart from a tiny handful of cases, it seems more like formalizing situations that already exist (people who aren't really Americans just making it formal). A number are also people applying for citizenships in countries that don't recognize dual citizenship, who are required to renounce their American citizenship to do so.

Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by gammarator on Friday May 11, 2012 @03:10PM (#3960798)
People regularly choose against their own best interests due to perceived obligations to family, organization, country, etc.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by gyardley on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:15PM (#3960236)
Surely the number of people who would renounce their citizenship to save a small portion of their income is smaller than the number of people who would renounce their citizenship to save a large portion of their income.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by waterlesscloud on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:27PM (#3960299)
The article also references new changes in US laws that require even foreign institutions holding funds from US citizens to meet very strict reporting requirements on those funds. In response, some institutions are simply refusing to take funds from US citizens rather than accept what they see as the onerous burden of complying with these reporting requirements.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by cynicalkane on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:18PM (#3960246)
To a multibillionaire, the value of retaining American citizenship could easily be hundreds of millions of dollars. Or it might be much lower in that. The degree of which citizens seek tax havens will be proportional to the level of taxation, not a black-and-white yes-or-no thing.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by liber8 on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:51PM (#3960402)
I would argue the opposite. To someone with several billion dollars, citizenship probably doesn't matter all that much.

To someone with a couple million dollars, having that U.S. flag on their passport does afford a great deal of freedom and security. But, with several billion, you can pretty much buy all the freedom and security you can get.

Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by grandalf on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:46PM (#3960371)
For a rich person the costs of moving (and other transaction costs) are far less... arguably if the transaction costs were lower (walk across the border to a waiting job) lots more people would do it at far lower income/tax levels.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by shasta on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:21PM (#3960256)
We should give people a number of votes proportional to how much money they have, to give wealthy people more incentive to stay.
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by clueless123 on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:24PM (#3960273)
That is a joke right? (I really hope so)
Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by planetguy on Friday May 11, 2012 @01:57PM (#3960429)
Personally I'm in favour of a system where it's done both ways. Most countries have a bicameral legislature in which one branch is a bit of a joke. My idea is that there should be a "House of Representatives" and a "House of Taxpayers", both of whom need to sign off on any bill.

In the election for the House of Representatives, everyone gets an equal vote. In the election for the House of Taxpayers, everyone gets a vote precisely proportional to how much tax they pay.

That way, the interests of everybody are balanced -- the folks who are affected by a new law and the folks who have to pay for the new law have both signed off on it.

It's a pipe dream, I know, but it'd be nice to see a country where the most competent citizens are appreciated rather than punished.

Re:Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship by alain94040 on Friday May 11, 2012 @02:15PM (#3960514)
Why single-out the taxpayers? Do you also need a house for the poor (they surely are impacted by laws)? What about minorities? Etc.