News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by b20000 on Sunday March 03, 2024 @02:12PM (#39583438)
i am puzzled why people think there is true intelligence in AI. IMHO it is advanced interpolation or morphing similar to the photo morphing tools of the 90s. if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out. you can only get interpolations out of it of data in the model. the more sophisticated the interpolation the more people think there is intelligence. maybe i am missing something but this is what i perceive.
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by ben_w on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:54PM (#39584449)
> if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out

That's trivially also true for humans, you can't get out of your brain something that isn't in it.

If you meant "external training set", then it's false for both AI and humans, as demonstrated by e.g. AlphaZero getting superhuman performance despite zero examples of human games of Go or Chess.

Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by tomNth on Sunday March 03, 2024 @02:54PM (#39583857)
And true intelligence can get data they don't have ? true intelligence isn't magic.
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by b20000 on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:06PM (#39583987)
humans have imagination and creativity and other qualities …
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by optimalsolver on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:19PM (#39584127)
Could you specify a set of tasks you believe AI won't be able to do?
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by b20000 on Sunday March 03, 2024 @04:49PM (#39584846)
IMHO AI will be able to generate solutions close to the best solution for a problem, with the remaining distance to be covered by humans.

the question is whether the cost of using AI to generate a solution, and then fixing it manually, will be lower, or higher, than building the solution using humans.

as we have seen before with wizards and other tools to generate solutions, the cost of fixing the solution is often times higher than it is to just build it from scratch manually.

also, as humans use AI more and more, there will be less and less material to use for training that is high quality, and AI will train on itself, leading to a rapid decline in quality of the output.

Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by tomNth on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:30PM (#39584251)
And those aren't sophisticated interpolation ?
Re:"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine by b20000 on Sunday March 03, 2024 @04:51PM (#39584864)
no