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Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by barbazoo on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:07PM (#39568418)
> Waymo is public transport

Is it? Doesn't "public transit" at least somewhat imply that it's a business that has to operate under the rules of some democratically elected institution?

Waymo will ban you, price you differently based on who/where/when you are, etc. I wouldn't expect any of that from "public transit".

Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by gretch on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:25PM (#39568577)
>price you differently based on who/where/when you are, etc

public transit already does this

https://www.bart.gov/tickets/discounts

-Seniors 65 and over get 62.5% off -Youth 5-18 years old get 50% off

Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by vlovich123 on Friday March 01, 2024 @08:23PM (#39568913)
Muni is free for seniors and youth.

That's a different kind of price segmentation than the kind of price discrimination that these companies can do. Also even without discounts public transit is substantially cheaper than taxi services (like 1/10th the cost). Some arguments I've seen is that the city should just make public transit free as you can offset the hit by getting rid of fare enforcement / fare machines.

Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by barbazoo on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:11PM (#39569736)
I was thinking more of individual pricing
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by OkayPhysicist on Friday March 01, 2024 @08:06PM (#39568833)
People can (and should) be banned from public transit, too.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by barbazoo on Saturday March 02, 2024 @12:49PM (#39574233)
I’ve never seen that happen and I disagree that it should. Not saying it doesn’t happen.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by tialaramex on Friday March 01, 2024 @08:36PM (#39568999)
Yes, it's public transit. Public doesn't mean "there aren't any rules" it just means public. You can't light barbecues in my local public park, and the bloke who tried to knife a bus driver isn't allowed to ride the public buses here.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by johnnyanmac on Friday March 01, 2024 @09:06PM (#39569155)
>Public transportation service means the operation of a vehicle that provides general or special service to the public on a regular and continuing basis consistent with 49 U.S.C. Chapter 53.

From the FTA. and for those who really want to dive into the law of it: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/subtitle-III/chap..., whose own definition is:

>(A) means regular, continuing shared-ride surface transportation services that are open to the general public or open to a segment of the general public defined by age, disability, or low income; and

in a legal sense, Waymo doesn't seem to meet even these high level definitions. So it's likely classified as private transportation unless I'm missing something.