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Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by jillesvangurp on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:25AM (#39535779)
About leaving Google:

> “I think I left just before it got too bureaucratic for me,” Mensch said. “I didn’t want to build opaque technology from within big tech.”

Interesting point of view in light of the ongoing train wreck of bard/gemini/gemma/whatever it's called today thing.

From zero to 2 billion valuation in 9 months is impressive.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by robertlagrant on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:37AM (#39535844)
It might be cynicism, but "I educated myself and others on Google's budget, and left at the perfect time to grab some AI investment cash with the expertise I gained there" feels more likely. Perfectly reasonable move, but why not just say it?
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by imjonse on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @06:55AM (#39536740)
That is normal in companies. I am more worried by the cases of 'I educated myself by using public funds for my research at uni, then went of to create a company and privatize the profits'
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by rm_-rf_slash on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:44AM (#39537131)
Having spent far too long in the annals of higher education, those who would be comparable stewards of growth are few and far between.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by robertlagrant on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:11PM (#39543479)
I doubt someone who doesn't know that it's profits that get taxed would be able to make much of a company. I wouldn't worry.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by dmarchand90 on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:26AM (#39536995)
"Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Bill Gates
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by kozinc on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @04:41AM (#39535872)
Even if it's true, it would be a terrible move marketing-wise.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by spiderfarmer on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:30AM (#39536227)
It's good for memoires, around a decade after the hype died down.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by phtrivier on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:00AM (#39536004)
> "I educated myself and others on Google's budget"

Do you assume he did not produce anything valuable at Google while working there ? (That's entirely possible, but not certain.)

As the old joke goes:

    A: "What if I train them, and they leave ?"
    B: "Sure. What if you don't train them, and they stay ?"
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by zorowithenma on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:30AM (#39537024)
He's the main lead in developing a model called chinchilla, which at that time provided results as good as those of gpt-3
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by robertlagrant on Monday March 04, 2024 @04:34AM (#39588560)
> Do you assume he did not produce anything valuable at Google while working there

Oh - I'm not saying that. I assume he did, but was also paid to do that.

I'm more commenting on the marketing, rather than the person.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by pavlov on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @06:10AM (#39536474)
> “I educated myself and others on Google's budget, and left at the perfect time to grab some AI investment cash with the expertise I gained there”

That’s been the Silicon Valley way ever since 1957 when Fairchild Semiconductor was started by the “traitorous eight” who later jumped ship again to found companies like Intel and AMD.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by kypro on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:19AM (#39536139)
> From zero to 2 billion valuation in 9 months is impressive.

Assuming it's actually worth $2b, of course.

I'd argue the fact startups are able to compete in just 9 months suggests there is little to no moat here and others will be able to do the same. I'd also argue there's a lot of speculation around the value of these products right now so it's debatable wherever it's actually worth $2b even if there is a moat. Not saying it isn't, but I don't think anyone really has a good sense for the long-term value of these new AI products / companies just yet. The valuation is mostly a result of speculation and AI FOMO.

But regardless of valuation, it's still insane that Google has become so dysfunctional that they're now struggling to compete with tech offerings from 9-month old startups. And this article does a disservice saying "big tech", because this is specifically a Google problem. Meta has had no problems pivoting their focus towards AI, creating a strategy and releasing interesting products and models.

And it's not even just that Google's products are bad, their announcements always feel rushed and clumsy, and their AI strategy seems to be nonexistent. None of this is a result of a lack of talent at Google, it's all down to crappy leadership and bureaucracy.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by zorowithenma on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:33AM (#39537044)
They don't want these chat models to hurt their search business. But due to the hype and fomo they are rushing things up. Their models before bard(before the rush) were good. They just need to get back in a good track and good leadership.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by kypro on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @10:49AM (#39539515)
Honestly, I don't AI chat is anywhere near competing with search at this moment in time. It will come, but there's no significant near-term risk that AI chat is going to be the place to go for common Google searches like: "what's the weather like tomorrow in London", "Facebook", "Sofas", "funny cat videos".

AI chat is really only useful for a niche area of the search market orientated around non-real-time question and answer type questions. Eg, "who was the greatest US president?"

The valuable search ad space is mostly around transactional searches like "sofas" where a company could place an ad and convert a user looking for a new sofa. No one is using chatbots for this. That's not to say it's not a risk, but I think people are wrong to think that web search and AI chat are directly competing products. AI chat competes with search in a similar way that Alexa and Siri already does – they're useful within a certain niche.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by 2sk21 on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:29AM (#39536222)
Agree. If a competitive model can be trained in a few months, its not clear what is really unique here
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by dachworker on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:17AM (#39536119)
Talk about good timing. The guy was not even doing anything related to LLMs before 2020 and his first relevant publication is in 2021.
Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by gerash on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:12AM (#39536081)
is this "train wreck" the bad image generation regarding people and races or is there anything more?

That does not affect my usage and Gemini works fine for me.

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by pavlov on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @06:12AM (#39536491)
Imagine going thirty years back and telling people that a leading complaint of our age is:

“This free artificial intelligence doesn’t generate sufficiently accurate pictures of non-existing Nazis.”

Talk about first-world problems. (Back then most people still had the naïve idea that they’d probably rather see less pictures of Nazis, much less spend time looking at ones that didn’t even exist.)

Re:Mistral: The 9-Month-Old AI Startup Challenging Silicon V... by herunan on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:29AM (#39536217)
Signs of another tech bubble if you ask me…