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Re:Love, Internet Style by sidsavara on Thursday December 11, 2008 @11:23PM (#395345)
This is actually a really great discussion on community support for software development versus "corporate" support, using a really interesting metaphor of a japanese shrine.

I enjoyed the video and am voting it up, but I think you should change the title, because I was expecting some cheesy dating video...

..I know, what does that say about me, that THINKING that, I still clicked through...

Perhaps add to the end of it - The Longevity of FOSS.

Re:Love, Internet Style by tremendo on Friday December 12, 2008 @02:01AM (#395442)
+1. By title alone I would have never cared. Only because it's here in HN did I click through to these comments and based on yours I decided to actually watch the video.

It's a 9 min talk by Clay Shirky basically praising the hacker spirit.

Re:Love, Internet Style by nihilocrat on Friday December 12, 2008 @10:26AM (#395712)
It also has some takeaway about how to build your product.

Make a product which the users are going to be excited about and want to preserve, so they will help other people trying to use it.

There seem to be enough people around who don't get that, that it's a non-obvious insight. It's probably because they are just like the "C++ people" in the story, though; they've already made up their minds before you started talking to them.

Re:Love, Internet Style by diN0bot on Friday December 12, 2008 @08:31AM (#395631)
The sense of community and collaboration has been on the ris for years now. I think it's evident in the open source spirit and the increasing usability and documentation of open source tools. The django and python Q&A communities I'm part of also have this "collaboration" tilt.

Still, when I think "hacker" I think solitary, ego-driven programmer, doing immature things to prove himself. I think of the anger and non-compromise that comes out of some of the old beards.

If "hacker" has been reappropriated that's great. I don't mean to quibble over words--regardless of what we call things, I am very optimistic by the growing team-work and social awareness of internet communities.

Re:Love, Internet Style by tremendo on Saturday December 13, 2008 @10:53AM (#396739)
Yes, we're asuming different meanings for "hacker", and I was hoping for the one I take is the more accepted one for this site (Hacker News), those who are "trying to write interesting software, and for whom computers are just a medium of expression" (http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html)

In any case, point taken as I probably got a bit carried away on my comment above, the talk referenced is more about the collaborative benefits new technologies bring to us.

Re:Love, Internet Style by dood on Friday December 12, 2008 @06:31AM (#395583)
It isn't really about community vs corporate support. He is making a much broader point that the internet (and other modern tech) is enabling like-minded people to work together to produce stable and effective systems purely for the love of it, on a previously unimaginable scale.
Re:Love, Internet Style by noelchurchill on Friday December 12, 2008 @12:31AM (#395397)
I agree, this video was a lot better than I was expecting.
Re:Love, Internet Style by stcredzero on Friday December 12, 2008 @10:10AM (#395689)
This is a key notion with regards to the success of programming languages. Programming languages are only partly a technological artifact. The sociological and cultural aspects are just as important, if not more so.
Re:Love, Internet Style by dmoney on Friday December 12, 2008 @08:33AM (#395632)
Perhaps add to the end of it - The Longevity of FOSS.

Good idea. Alas, it seems to be beyond the edit time limit.