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Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by roenxi on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @10:53PM (#39533772)
1. I suspect the vast majority of engagement (and, spending) with the medical industry is non-emergency care. At least not emergency care required in the next hour or so. There are edge cases, but even considering most of what I've seen going to the emergency room there has been time to choose which hospital to head for.

Basically I think this is over-weighting the importance of emergency care. I don't have any stats on hand, but people entering the hospital system at ultra-short-notice is quite rare in my experience compared to having a bit of time to think. Most healthcare engagement seems to be for planned consultation, planned surgeries, emergencies but with hours to spare and then urgent emergencies. In about that order of frequency, and heavily weighted towards the first few cases.

2. People are more than capable of figuring out which of two options are cheaper. The ability of consumers to reject goods over tiny price differentials is legendary.

3. If people aren't up for the challenge of figuring out what to do in an emergency, then in a fair market you'd probably find the insurer starts to step in and assist. If the insurer has to compete for business, they have a very strong incentive to make sure their customers get good and cost-effective care.

4. And on food markets; those are distortions to the market, not limits on it's freedom. A free market can be distorted with subsidies and it is still free. The important factors are whether new providers can enter the market and whether they are allowed to compete on price and service quality.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by Guvante on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:28PM (#39534005)
No one knows how much care costs. Insurance companies and providers hide the real Costa when predicting in the guise of "information security" which makes choosing a facility on price literally impossible.

Time isn't a factor, if you have insurance that covers it you rarely if ever know how much it will cost.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by nradov on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @12:55AM (#39534545)
CMS requires hospitals and health plans to publish price transparency data and give consumers tools for price estimation.

https://www.cms.gov/priorities/key-initiatives/hospital-pric...

https://www.cms.gov/healthplan-price-transparency/consumers

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by dalyons on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @01:22AM (#39534690)
Vast majority aren’t in compliance, and the data they do publish is essentially useless. Lots about it online, but a reasonable interview here https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/02/13/the-fight-for-transp...
Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by rincebrain on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:29PM (#39534012)
re 2) People will reject more expensive options if and only if they have the time and energy to reach the point where they know what the price differential is.

Almost no medical practices in the US will tell you what the price is until after you've had the service there, and that price might even vary across multiple trips depending on how your insurance processed the claim _that_ time. (Ask me how I know.)

So you would need to schedule appointments and have the entire medical procedure done multiple times to have any price visibility, and even then, there's lots of nonsense around things like doctors operating in hospitals but billing separately, which completely obfuscates the end cost to someone.

People can and will choose the cheaper option, but I personally, as someone who has limited time, cannot afford to go through totalling all the bills for having the same procedure done twice every time, with all the months of back and forth for setting up being a new patient, scheduling things, being lied to about the doctor being available for the consult, showing up and having the staff gaslighting everyone about how it's not a problem on their end, everyone angrily waiting in the waiting room clearly got their appointments wrong, even if you have the reminders written by the staff at your pre-actually-seeing-the-doctor visit in hand showing their system is wrong...

It's incredibly exhausting and involved to visit a new doctor for even the most trivial things. Most people cannot afford the time commitment to do that multiple times even if the procedure is something where it's not a one-off or urgent.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by roenxi on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:51PM (#39534142)
Yeah. It is a comment talking about treating healthcare as a free market. The US doesn't treat healthcare as a free market, so none of the predictions or observations in that comment apply to the US.

The US seems to have some sort of racket going on in healthcare. What I've heard about their regulation makes sense if interpreted as a fairly basic system built by lobbyists to extract money from people, using emotional blackmail to break up political opposition. Otherwise it seems a bit silly.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by p_l on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:15AM (#39536100)
"Healthcare can't be a free market" is an assertion rooted in sound logic going back at least to Adam Smith.

Making it more transparent won't change it.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @05:39AM (#39536307)
"Emergency care can't be a free market" is a reasonable statement provided the customer is the patient and not e.g. an insurer with a contractual obligation to meet a particular emergency response time, who could contract with different emergency services providers in any given area in advance and secure lower pricing by playing two providers who could each meet their emergency response requirements against each other or threatening to enter the market themselves.

"Joint replacements can't be a free market" is simply nonsense.

Re:U.S. opens UnitedHealth antitrust probe by nradov on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @01:00AM (#39534578)
Medical practices in the US are now required to give uninsured patients a good faith estimate on request.

https://www.cms.gov/medical-bill-rights/help/guides/good-fai...

Health plans are now required to give comparison shopping tools to their plan members. Those can be difficult to use for patients who don't understand the system, but it is at least a step in the right direction.

https://www.cms.gov/healthplan-price-transparency/consumers