Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by silverquiet on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:28AM
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My very basic understanding of the physics of air resistance is that it increases at the square of speed, so a plane that's going at 500 miles/hour must use massively more energy than a trane traveling at 100 miles/hour.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by dividefuel on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:37AM
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The air is thinner at cruising altitude, though of course thicker at takeoff altitude. I'm sure longer flights are much more efficient than shorter, but whether they ever overtake trains I'm not sure.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by alwayslikethis on Monday February 26, 2024 @01:23PM
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Fun fact once flights go above a certain length they get less efficient because all that fuel they are carrying actually requires more fuel to move, which in turn needs to be carried. I don't think it's the energy efficiency that's the issue here. Even if trains are less energy efficient, they can much more easily be powered off renewable sources.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by lesuorac on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:31AM
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I mean sticking with the assumption it takes the same amount of energy you still need to show that a jet engine is as or more efficient as a train engine.
Which it seems to not be [1].
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport...
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by dividefuel on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:41AM
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I'm honestly surprised how relatively close these values are. This says personal trucks use about 2x as much energy as mass transit. I would've thought the ratio would be much higher.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by ljf on Monday February 26, 2024 @12:07PM
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The passenger numbers seem low to me - but I can only assume they come from research - so the passenger figures will skew that. A full bus (60 people?) would be far more efficient.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a...
by The_Colonel on Monday February 26, 2024 @01:20PM
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A missing consideration is that most modern railway is electrified while the airplanes will have to stick with burning fossil fuels for a while.
Has anyone done this calculation?