Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by XorNot on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:00PM
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So if someone blows up a transformer substation, but no one dies, is that terrorism?
What about a building? A government office? An empty school?
Or here's a better question: what then do you call the use of criminal means, for political purposes, to gain compliance from local population and political authorities, when it doesn't include direct harm against humans and focuses on destruction of property?
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by friend_and_foe on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:19PM
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Terrorism is acts to instil fear for political ends. Intent matters. If someone blows up a building to make people fearful, then it's terrorism. If someone does it to destroy someone's property, then its vandalism. By your logic, striking and blocking scabs is terrorism.
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by XorNot on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:25PM
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And so in the current moment, why do you think the Houthis (if they are indeed responsible, but let's assume so for the sake of this argument) are cutting submarine cables?
What do you think the intent behind that was?
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by friend_and_foe on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:36PM
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I would guess, to be as much of a nuisance as possible to those they percieve themselves to be at war with with what limited capabilities they have. They can't possibly believe that this will have significant economic impact so as to hamper their enemies' capability to continue to wage war. This will strike fear into the hearts of no one. But it's damage, and they can do it, so they do.
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by XorNot on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:00AM
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So it's the use of destructive measures, which one might describe as "violence", targeted at assets utilized principally by civilians, for the purposes of affecting political change in policy by a government.
Were this to rise in severity from "nuisance", what would you describe that feeling as? What reaction do you think commonly provokes people exposed to negative stimuli into action they don't otherwise want to take?
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by friend_and_foe on Monday February 26, 2024 @10:55AM
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No. Man, quit trying to massage the definition to make yourself right.
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by XorNot on Monday February 26, 2024 @03:56PM
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That's dodging the question not a rebuttal.
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by friend_and_foe on Monday February 26, 2024 @04:37PM
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I don't need to rebut you, you're stretching the definition of "terrorism" to feel right. There's no question to dodge, "so what happens if this activity escalates into terrorism, would that make this terrorism?" The discussion was settled 2 comments ago. "Terrorism" is clearly defined. Breaking things to inconvenience your enemies in warfare is not terrorism.
Re:Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking a...
by olliej on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @01:33AM
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Terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, for political purposes. [merriam Webster]
Taking out a communication cable is not that by any stretch of your quite substantial definitions below.
Terrorism is when people use terror for political purposes. While it is often synonymous with crime, the "terror" part is rather critical. Most often, the terror is over the target's personal safety, or that of the target's loved ones.
Having an undersea cable cut does not terrify a sane person without extenuating circumstances. Therefore it may be an act of war, but it is not terrorism in the slightest.
Redefining "terrorism" for the purposes of treating lesser criminals under harsh terrorism laws is unethical, immoral, unjust, and downright awful.