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Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by dimitri_deploys on Sunday February 25, 2024 @07:10PM (#39506336)
Absolutely incredible reporting. The risks taken by the sources both at the factories and within North Korea defy comprehension for anybody lucky enough not to fear that speaking out will endanger their family.
Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by dgfitz on Sunday February 25, 2024 @08:10PM (#39506652)
I am so blown your comment has a flagged dead post. Nowhere on the internet is “safe” anymore apparently.

Edit: I mean that I agree with your position.

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by rl3 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @08:31PM (#39506748)
>Nowhere on the internet is “safe” anymore apparently.

No kidding. Then again, maybe that commenter was just trying to "be real" by ensuring that NK's stellar reputation with regard to its labor relations did not end up unduly tarnished by shoddy reporting from The New Yorker. [0][1][2][3][4][5][6] /s

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68226271

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/signs-rare-unrest...

[2] https://www.vice.com/en/article/kwnw3w/north-korean-labor-ca...

[3] https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/23/asia/north-korea-torture-pris...

[4] https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Prisons-of-...

[5] https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/09/un-finds-torture-forced-...

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp

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Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by resolutebat on Sunday February 25, 2024 @10:01PM (#39507221)
Here's today's Rodong Sinmun for balance:

The popular masses, who had waged arduous and grim struggle for a long period, have been able to realize their ideal with genuine freedom and rights under socialism.

http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/2b3a7ce3d4f7c720e3ec93235fc0f83b...

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by Hnrobert42 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @08:19PM (#39506690)
Indeed. And beyond the interviews, there is plenty of other examination of direct evidence including videos posted to social media, shipping records, packing labels.

That evidence all supports the argument that the PRC and Chinese companies are complicit in violating sanctions.

Further, it is telling that the NK government and their Chinese co-conspirators actively fight investigations. See the literature spread to workers threatening punishment for talking to reporters.

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by Simon_ORourke on Monday February 26, 2024 @01:58AM (#39508312)
> That evidence all supports the argument that the PRC and Chinese companies are complicit in violating sanctions.

And this should surprise absolutely no-one. It's like it's 1980's Wall Street over there, and whatever makes a buck is what they do.

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by konstmonst on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:51PM (#39507807)
I disagree, removing sanctions will make them stronger when the conflict comes. Also as I see it, all nations don't care much about people's suffering in some other country, they care most about their inner affairs, which is understandable geopolitically. Most of the people also don't care or else they would vote with their money. Are north koreans worth nuclear escalation - I don't think so.
Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by buran77 on Monday February 26, 2024 @03:56AM (#39508997)
> all nations don't care much about people's suffering in some other country

> Most of the people also don't care

I think it may be quite the opposite, albeit usually not genuine "caring", rather just "focusing". Whether nations want to redirect people's attention away from problems at home, or people want/let their attention redirected, they'll focus more on the crap happening in another country. An enemy or an issue are always created somewhere far away, something as contrasting as possible with the apparent situation at home.

Take the example of prisons and prison labor in the US. People know millions are imprisoned at home, many forced to work, with inhumane conditions. But that's a bitter taste when they know it's at home, that it's a democratic country, that this could be changed but isn't. So it's made better by looking at how much worse it could be.

It's an easy mental and moral release and people need one especially when there's a discrepancy between the image they have of their country and the reality. The bigger the discrepancy, the easier and more attractive it is to look at the speck/plank in someone else's eye.

This happens everywhere in the world because it's where human nature and leaders' desire to manipulate intersect.

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by tivert on Monday February 26, 2024 @08:29AM (#39511023)
Did you mean to reply to this comment? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39507748

Your reply seems out of place.

Re:Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program by konstmonst on Monday February 26, 2024 @09:51AM (#39511864)
yes, I must have made an error