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Re:Why you, personally, should want a larger human population by matwood on Sunday February 25, 2024 @09:34AM (#39501121)
> They cannot be utilized because they live in shitty conditions created by the too large population we already have.

Or they just live in a shitty place under some autocratic/dictator/religious rule. I'm not sure that has much to do with the population size.

Re:Why you, personally, should want a larger human population by __MatrixMan__ on Sunday February 25, 2024 @10:35AM (#39501598)
Don't you think those bad leaders would've had a harder time coming into power if there had been less contention over resources?

If it's clear that there's plenty to go around you can just abandon a bad leader. If not, then maybe tolerating them is a necessary evil (because they control the food).

Re:Why you, personally, should want a larger human population by pixl97 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:00AM (#39501842)
>Don't you think those bad leaders would've had a harder time coming into power if there had been less contention over resources?

No. For most of human history we've been lead by shitty autocratic leaders. Now, when there's too little to go around we're more apt to go to war and/or have population migrations which is a different subject.

Re:Why you, personally, should want a larger human population by matwood on Sunday February 25, 2024 @05:39PM (#39505656)
We have an abundance of resources, and ship things like food and medicine all over the world. But because of shitty leaders access is the issue. So the only way to address the issue is to get more resources sourced locally.

> If it's clear that there's plenty to go around you can just abandon a bad leader.

If only it were that easy.

Re:Why you, personally, should want a larger human population by __MatrixMan__ on Sunday February 25, 2024 @06:21PM (#39505997)
> the only way to address the issue is to get more resources sourced locally.

I don't know about "only", but I agree that that's the best move: Fewer labyrinthine dependencies, more providing directly for yourself and your neighbors.

But isn't the difficulty of that proposition a direct function of population density? If "locally" means 1000 people on 100 acres, that's a lot different than if "locally" means 10000 people on 10 acres.

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To put it differently, premises:

1. The planet can sustain 100M of us

2. The planet cannot sustain 100B of us

3. There is uncertainty about whether the planet can sustain 8B of us

Conclusion:

The safer direction for our population to go is down.