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Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by wenyuanyu on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:57PM (#39476780)
I was a little bit surprised that there are no EU-based/originated payment networks. How comes?

At least, in Japan, there is JCB, and in China there is UnionPay / Alipay?

Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:02AM (#39477181)
Europe used to have two significant card networks of its own: Maestro (owned by Mastercard) and Visa Europe (previously owned by various European banks). But Maestro is dead now and, a few years ago, Visa Europe merged into Visa.

There were a bunch of national networks but they're slowly dying I think. The UK's Switch debit card network got rebranded as Maestro and then killed, for example. The UK still has something called Link however (used for ATM withdrawals and I think nothing else).

Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by rcMgD2BwE72F on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:22AM (#39478597)
>There were a bunch of national networks but they're slowly dying I think.

True. It's CB in France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupement_des_Cartes_Bancaire...

Fewer and fewer banks supports it. It's obvious when looking at the neobanks' offers: https://www.zupimages.net/up/24/07/zbua.png ("Réseau CB: Oui [yes] / Non [no]"). A shame as the whole French payment network now relies almost solely on Visa, a $500T US giant.

Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by riffraff on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:54AM (#39479959)
the italian "pagobancomat" system[0] (pay from your CC with an ATM card) is still alive and well, all ATMs and POS support it together with visa/mastercard. There's also an online payment system but I've not seen it used.

Most plastic you get these days supports both that and visa/maestro.

[0] an extension of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancomat_(interbank_network)

Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by akshayt on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:10AM (#39477215)
Some countries have their own local ones but currently none that work across the entire EU AFAIK. EMPSA is working on uniting them
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by jltsiren on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:02PM (#39476818)
There used to be Eurocard, but it merged with MasterCard a couple of decades ago. Most countries had domestic debit card networks. Some still have, while others replaced theirs with Visa / MasterCard debit cards.
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by wenyuanyu on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:17PM (#39476918)
How much is the credit card fee and debit card fee in Europe? In China, it is capped to 0.6% and could be as low as 0.3% or less I believe.
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by pgeorgi on Friday February 23, 2024 @02:05AM (#39477768)
Capped at 0.3% for credit card transactions, 0.2% for debit card transactions

See https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015...

Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by qwytw on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:14AM (#39479637)
That's somewhat deceiving because these regulations don't include bank fees (about 1% in total is pretty standard)
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by mattigames on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:02PM (#39476819)
The banks already work just fine there, the little edge some startup may have is not worth the hassel
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by qwytw on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:13AM (#39479622)
SEPA is basically free and instant. There are some shortcomings but even with them there is hardly demand for for any other service (why would consumers decide to use anything but banks transfer and/or credit/debit cards when the fees are so low?)
Re:The Fed Is Behind the Capital One/Discover Merger by blasphemers on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:03AM (#39482290)
This podcast explains the history pretty well.

https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/visa