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Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by ggambetta on Thursday February 22, 2024 @08:03AM (#39466453)
Absolutely. I feel like they're essentially Markov chain generators on steroids. Generally entertaining, sometimes useful, ultimately shallow.

I'm really surprised when people, especially technical people, say they "asked" something to ChatGPT, or that they had a "conversation".

It doesn't know anything. It doesn't understand anything. The illusion is very convincing, but it's just an illusion.

I know I'm part of a minority of people who think this way :( The last few months have felt like I'm taking crazy pills :(

Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by EchoChamberMan on Thursday February 22, 2024 @09:24AM (#39467502)
Sales people, and company owners, have a vested interest in pushing the narrative that the illusion is actually magic.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by crote on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:38AM (#39469564)
I believe that for a large number of applications the distinction between "knowing something" and "containing knowledge" doesn't really matter.

In 2010s Google I could type in a query, and it would redirect me to a human-written answer on something like StackOverflow with hopefully the right answer; in 2024 ChatGPT you can type in a query and it'll mash together some relevant human-written snippets into something which is hopefully coherent, relevant, and correct. Sure, it's "just" a Markov chain generator on steroids, but it's still giving you useful output.

I do agree that it is a bit worrying to what extent people are anthropomorphizing it, and treating it like something with an actual opinion or an unquestionable source-of-truth. The "I asked ChatGPT" comments should be treated the same as "I put it into Google and this was the first result": it's just line noise and doesn't add anything to the conversation. If you don't have anything to add yourself, why comment at all?

Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by __loam on Thursday February 22, 2024 @12:01PM (#39469869)
You're not alone
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by logicprog on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:57PM (#39471432)
I feel the same way. It's frustrating feeling like I'm one of the few people that can see that the emperor has no clothes, and nice to see the occasional person like you that pushes back on this cargo cult fanaticism.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by og_kalu on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:04PM (#39476830)
>It doesn't know anything. It doesn't understand anything. The illusion is very convincing, but it's just an illusion.

What would know and understand anything with this vague undefinable metric ? You ? How do i know you know and understand anything ? Can you prove that to me better than GPT can ?