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Re:What is going on in Argentina? by javcasas on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:18AM (#39453403)
Do you know why the USA is the richest country in the world while being full of homeless, or has the strongest army in the world while having the shittiest healthcare of all developed countries?

Because liberalism, I/E shrink the state so that ~the corporations can rule~ the invisible hand of the market can fix everything.

Even Adam Smith recognised that you need a state to limit the power of the big actors in the invisible hand of the market.

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by throwaway86375 on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:37AM (#39454321)
The American healthcare system is not libertarian. The US has the highest total health spending per capita in the world, more then France and the UK combined. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by miunau on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:39AM (#39453609)
It seems like you are confusing two different terms, liberalism and libertarianism.
Re:What is going on in Argentina? by javcasas on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:57AM (#39453842)
Can you explain the difference? Googling it is quite hard, as it mostly throws me biased views.
Re:What is going on in Argentina? by atombender on Saturday February 24, 2024 @11:59AM (#39493058)
In the U.S.:

"Liberalism": Broadly, what other countries call social liberalism, i.e. liberty, individual rights, equality, all rooted in Locke's notion of the social contract.

"Libertarianism": An American revival of what's formally called classical liberalism. Broadly: Small government, strong individual rights, free market capitalism, etc.

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by Ancapistani on Thursday February 22, 2024 @03:16AM (#39464534)
No, they are using the term “liberalism” in its historic meaning, not the current, US meaning.
Re:What is going on in Argentina? by swarnie on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:53AM (#39453788)
> Do you know why the USA is the richest country in the world while being full of homeless, or has the strongest army in the world while having the shittiest healthcare of all developed countries?

Yes, its in the post you're replying too. The USA run an oligarchy system where by the vast majority of money, power and influenced and controlled by an impossibly small interconnected group.

But its ok because every four years the peasants get to chooses which billionaire is the least worse and cast their vote.

What does anything in my post have to do with liberalism?

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by javcasas on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:05AM (#39453943)
Well, oligarchy is the eventual result of liberalism. Even though we may have started equal, some people, through luck or questionable methods, have attained a position of power, possibly by being owners of a company that has a monopolistic status. And now, via regulatory capture and targeted actions against competitors, looks to subvert the "free" hand of the market.

Why can't you get decent internet in the States? Because on each location there are two or maybe three companies that collude to keep prices high. And when you try to start your own ISP, suddenly these companies offer crazy good/under cost prices so that your new ISP is unable to survive, and then jack up the prices again.

Of course, at any point, as a consumer, you are absolutely free to enter into a contract with whatever ISP you want. If only there were a few more...

Now tell me how do you fix that without bigger state imposing specific regulations.

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by swarnie on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:28AM (#39454222)
Ok just to be clear, your the only one here talking about Liberalism.

Liberalism and libertarianism are two very different things.

Re:What is going on in Argentina? by javcasas on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:34AM (#39454290)
Sure, can you explain the differences? Google is not being helpful here, it seems both words have quite a bit of propaganda behind them.
Re:What is going on in Argentina? by throwaway86375 on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:40AM (#39454362)
GP seems to be using the "classical liberalism" definition of liberalism, which largerly overlaps with what's generally considered libertarianism.