Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once Again

Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by bee_rider on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @03:20AM (#39451341)

Sucking at a process is part of learning to do it better. But only if it is on a path of learning; practicing the skills that will be useful later.

They’ve stuck with DUV, which everybody else in the world decided was a dead end. Sticking with DUV may cause further progress to be impossible for all we know (maybe somebody should ask Intel). Going to EUV will require a different set of skills. They’ll have to replicate ASML’s machines to do so. Nobody else has figured it out. Their process on figuring out DUV tricks doesn’t tell us anything about their progress making that other type of machine.

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Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by Goodroo on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:09AM (#39453323)

I'm laughing at your comment because you seem to assume that China is doing nothing in EUV. I have somewhat inside knowledge and I can tell you that they have multiple teams working on multiple approaches.From SSMB to LPP, they are leaving nothing to chance.

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Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by bee_rider on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @10:43AM (#39455189)

I have been repeatedly pointing out that we don’t know, not claiming that they aren’t making progress. Do you deliberately misread your insider information as well?

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Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by itsoktocry on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:41AM (#39454382)

>Their process on figuring out DUV tricks doesn’t tell us anything about their progress making that other type of machine.

Yet you have no problem proclaiming it's leading them to a dead end.

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Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by bee_rider on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @11:02AM (#39455470)

It is a dead end path. They probably are exploring multiple paths in parallel. ein0p claimed that their progress down the dead-end path is evidence that they are making good progress down the productive path. It isn’t. That’s all I’m pointing out.

Don’t read more into the post than that. I’m not going to defend an affirmative claim that they aren’t making progress. They have a ton of engineers and are willing to invest in the field, so it is entirely plausible to believe that they’ll catch up.

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