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Re:Would von Braun's Mars Landers Have Worked? by nickff on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @01:52AM (#39450849)
Are you familiar with Mars Direct? I don’t think any current plans to go to Mars envision bringing all their return fuel with them to Mars orbit (much less to the surface).
Re:Would von Braun's Mars Landers Have Worked? by Animats on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @04:17AM (#39451710)
NASA and DARPA have been funding studies for a new generation of fission-powered rockets.[1][2] They talk about launching a demo in 2027. BWXT (good old Babcock and Wilcox, makers of hundreds of submarine nuclear power plants) and Lockheed-Martin are the primary contractors.[3]

But the big bucks are still going into the Senate Launch System.

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/space-nuclear-propulsion/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnsnyIvzps

[3] https://www.bwxt.com/what-we-do/advanced-technologies/space-...

Re:Would von Braun's Mars Landers Have Worked? by Fred34 on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @02:17AM (#39450985)
I haven't heard of Mars Direct, but from reading the link you gave me it sounds like a plan to start automated fuel production plants on mars to make fuel for trips back to earth. It requires the transportation of a small nuclear power-plant to mars as well as hydrogen to synthesize methane from the carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere. Off the bat I would say that hydrogen would be a pain to transport to mars (hydrogen has a high energy density by weight but not by volume) but don't know much else to think about the project.
Re:Would von Braun's Mars Landers Have Worked? by oroup on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @04:13AM (#39451689)
More recent versions of the plan contemplate electrolyzing water in the ground to obtain the required oxygen
Re:Would von Braun's Mars Landers Have Worked? by Fred34 on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @04:29AM (#39451775)
Electrolyzing water would also give hydrogen which would make the transpiration of materials easier. I’m guessing that it would require a large amount of electricity to get enough hydrogen/oxygen from the water (they really would need a miniature nuclear reactor).

Edit: for my last comment (which I can’t edit now) I meant to say that hydrogen has a high energy content by mass but not by volume. So 1kg of the stuff has a huge amount of energy but also takes up a lot of physical space.