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Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by luckystarr on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @01:43AM (#39450820)
This technology is useful for small production volumues only though. It's too slow to produce chips at 5nm at high volumes. If it's also that much cheaper such that you can just throw money at it to produce in parallel, then it may work, but it I haven't seen such comparisons yet.
Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by roenxi on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @02:04AM (#39450926)
I don't follow what you are trying to say.

But do-it, do-it-cheap, do-it-at-scale, do-it-right has been the standard playbook out of Asia for 50 years now. I'd suggest that Canon is going down the road of being a player in the 5nm market.

Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by jimkoen on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @05:55AM (#39452342)
You could summarize it as "Wah Wah, competing technology not as good as trillion dollar R&D from competitor with 20 year market advantage".

Even if it has a lower yield, having a competing technology to EUV is absolutely amazing in several ways.

Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by coldtea on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @07:13AM (#39452871)
He is trying to say that until they succesfully move to the "do-it-at-scale, do-it-right" parts, we're at the do-it part atm, and that's no real competition to those doing it at scale and right already.

So the playbook atm is more promise than concrete reality.

Nor is there some law that says "they did it for other technologies, so they'll manage it for this one too" (besides, this is survivorship bias, forgetting about the technologies they didn't manage to do it).

Re:Japan Bets $67B to Become a Global Chip Powerhouse Once A... by rofrol on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:17AM (#39481590)
Doesn't cheap comes after scale?

"Wright found that every time total aircraft production doubled, the required labor time for a new aircraft fell by 20%"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effects