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Re:Simon Peyton Jones – Haskell is useless [video] by curryhoward on Sunday February 18, 2024 @08:20PM (#39425261)
Citation needed on "well-established". I find myself often benefiting from Haskell's disciplined approach to effects.
Re:Simon Peyton Jones – Haskell is useless [video] by refulgentis on Sunday February 18, 2024 @10:02PM (#39425849)
" (beyond the well-established Haskell-esque effects bad)"

read that as:

"beyond the well-established idea, from Haskell, that side effects are troublesome and need to be explicitly modelled and thought about."

Re:Simon Peyton Jones – Haskell is useless [video] by curryhoward on Sunday February 18, 2024 @10:29PM (#39425993)
Ah, I think your clarification makes a lot more sense than your original phrasing, because Haskell's position is indeed that side effects are bad, not that effects are bad. The bad thing is "side", not "effects".