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Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @10:20AM (#39398197)
That's comical that you mention CFE.

Your own link says: "The treaty proposed equal limits for the two "groups of states-parties", the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the Warsaw Pact" and later "most former non-USSR Warsaw Treaty members subsequently joined NATO, followed later by the Baltic states and the states of the former Yugoslavia".

"CFE-II took into account the different geopolitical situation of the post-Cold War era by setting national instead of bloc-based limits on conventional armed forces. NATO members refused however to ratify the treaty..." [0] What a surprise.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_F...

Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by actionfromafar on Friday February 16, 2024 @10:23AM (#39398231)
I'm not saying there wasn't mistrust from all sides. I'm saying Russia may have had ulterior motives to join NATO.
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @10:25AM (#39398270)
"Ulterior motives" like what?
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by actionfromafar on Friday February 16, 2024 @10:30AM (#39398336)
Having a veto on who gets in the alliance, gathering intelligence, who knows? Not me.

I just don't think Russia joining NATO is an apparent slam dunk success. Maybe it would have been great, we can never know for sure, but I can understand the suspicion.

Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @10:34AM (#39398385)
"Having a veto on who gets in the alliance, gathering intelligence"

With what goal?

Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by actionfromafar on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:00AM (#39398733)
Attack Ukraine? But on the other hand, joining NATO could have changed the course of history for the better, so such plans may never have come into motion. This is all counterfactual. There was deep mistrust on all sides and it didn't happen.
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @11:26AM (#39399132)
Attack Ukraine why?
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by actionfromafar on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:13PM (#39399888)
Read Putins "scholarly article".
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:32PM (#39400176)
I haven't read it. What do you mean specifically?
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by Qwertious on Friday February 16, 2024 @03:38PM (#39402634)
Not the parent commenter, but IIRC in that document Putin expresses an ideological belief that Ukraine is inherently a part of Russia and must be returned.
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @04:03PM (#39402939)
And how do you imagine it? Being in the same security alliance as Ukraine and having free trade agreement and having good relations with the West, he would attack the Ukraine to get a piece of land?

Nobody in Russia would've supported such an unthinkable war.

It took a coup in Kiev in 2014, burning people alive in Odessa, all the slogans 'Hang the Russians', dozens of streets named after Nazi collaborators, the war of the new Ukrainian government on the separatists in the East and eight years for people in Russia to start thinking that not all Ukrainians are brothers.

Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by falserum on Friday February 16, 2024 @05:59PM (#39404164)
Reminder: to start 2014 events, you need a president who rejects europe at the last second and sells ukraine to russia.
Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by protomolecule on Friday February 16, 2024 @06:20PM (#39404352)
"Europe is partly to blame for the crisis in Ukraine although this is no excuse for Russian behavior towards the former Soviet republic, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's deputy said on Wednesday.

The tone struck by Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, head of the Social Democrats (SPD), contrasts with that of conservative Merkel who has pinned responsibility on Russia for exacerbating the crisis, which has soured ties between Russia and the West.

"Certainly, the European Union has also made mistakes, although this does not justify Russia's behavior," Gabriel told the German daily Rheinische Post.

"It was certainly not smart to create the impression in Ukraine that it had to decide between Russia and the EU," the Economy Minister added." [0]

[0] https://www.newsweek.com/german-official-says-it-was-wrong-m...

Re:Alexei Navalny has died – authorities by type0 on Friday February 16, 2024 @06:41PM (#39404542)
> Nobody in Russia would've supported such an unthinkable war.

Nobody would be against, in the same way there isn't anyone against this unthinkable war now. Why are you on HN. Maybe you should go and try to denazify some other website instead?