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Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by Retric on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:25AM (#39393502)
US nuclear averages below 0.9, individual plants can break 0.93 for a single year, but long term maintenance and refueling cycles lower the average. Ex: 95.73% (2017) 80.25% (lifetime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Valley_Nuclear_Power_St...

94.43% (2017) 75.20% (lifetime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick_Nuclear_Generating_S...

96.04% (2017) 78.07% (lifetime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browns_Ferry_Nuclear_Plant

So you can cherry pick a few numbers from the best years, but the lifetime averages tell a different story.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by throwaway87651 on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:18AM (#39393811)
Nuclear had much lower capacity factors in the past, which brings the lifetime capacity factor down. But the relevant point is that the capacity factor of nuclear plants running today is >90%
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by Retric on Friday February 16, 2024 @02:10AM (#39394117)
US Nuclear had a capacity factor of 86.1% as recently as 2012, it just varies through time and over a 40+ year lifetime you don’t have outstanding results every single year. So sure you can argue 71.1% in 1997 no longer applies, but it was almost exactly the same fleet of reactors in use back then.

Yet the person I was replying to said “about 93%” when averaging over 93% has been achieved exactly once in 2019. That kind of nonsense is actively harmful when people hear something and then later realize it’s simply incorrect.

Effective advocacy requires accuracy including technology specific issues and how to mitigate them.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by looofooo0 on Friday February 16, 2024 @02:22AM (#39394177)
Planned or unplanned is the question.
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by Retric on Friday February 16, 2024 @02:34AM (#39394255)
The larger question is what capacity factors would look like if you tried to double the amount of nuclear as many advocates wish. And what that would do to profitability / the need for subsidies.

Or as the industry has been concerned with for a decade, what happens when renewable energy is regularly sending wholesale prices near zero for hours a day.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by foota on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:07AM (#39393748)
Is a 15% difference that much of a different story?
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by hef19898 on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:09AM (#39393761)
Look at your paycheck, and imagine the number is 15% lower. Should answer the question.
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by blackoil on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:16AM (#39393803)
If alternate pay is 90% lower, not big of a difference. i.e. If I lose job, I would prefer new one to pay 85% than 10%.
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by foota on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:19AM (#39393823)
It does. And no, it's not that significant.

I'm not a nuclear fanboy (well, I wish I made sense since I like the idea of free energy, but renewables are just as good), but I think it's important to make accurate arguments.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by hef19898 on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:33AM (#39393897)
An accurate argument would include the financial aspects of +/- 15% in generated output and the impact that has on grid capacity....
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by foota on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:49AM (#39394009)
With such a small difference, the burden of proof in this case is probably on the person arguing that it is a big difference, since you'd generally expect a roughly linear relationship between these.

In fact, I think I'd suspect that downtime is less relevant for nuclear, since I believe most of it will be schedulable, as opposed to renewables where downtime is random and based on conditions. Since it's schedulable, it could be done in the off season, or different plants could be planned to be out at difference periods.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by hef19898 on Friday February 16, 2024 @01:57AM (#39394052)
You actually have no idea about electricity transmission. For long term problems, look no further than France. Short term, look up how electricity generation, transmission, markets and grid stability are linked. Wikipedia is a good start. Followed by studies about 100% renewable grids, those explain why baseload is much less of an issue than people think. And too much inflexible capacity, aka baseload, can actually be a problem itself.
Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by foota on Friday February 16, 2024 @02:12AM (#39394132)
While I'm not a practicing economist, I have a bachelor's degree in economics and took multiple classes on the economics of electricity markets.

While all of those are certainly relevant if you're comparing nuclear and other sources of power, I fail to see how that's relevant to the question of whether there's a significant difference between 80 and 95% capacity factor over a year.

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by hef19898 on Friday February 16, 2024 @02:19AM (#39394162)
Now imagine you are working in controlling at a power plant operator, and your yearly generated output is 5% lower that whatever plan has before. What do you think would happen?

- investors, management and board saying "no biggy, 5% is not relevant"

- something else

Companies are doing restructuring and mass lay-offs to save less than 5% on bottom line costs, they are incredibly happy when the top line grows by 5% and worried, if not in crisis mode, if the top line declines by 5%. And for the financing part of a new power plant, those 5% are the difference between the investment being a good or a bad one...

Re:Solar and batteries to make up 81% of new 2024 U.S. elect... by cycomanic on Friday February 16, 2024 @07:29PM (#39404910)
Hold on you are an economist and are telling me the difference between a capacity factor of 95 and 85% is not relevant? What do you think the ROIs and margins are for nuclear investments? Considering that nuclear is almost completely dominated by upfront investment, I'd be surprised if the that difference is not the difference between comfortably making a profit on your investment and loosing a large amount of money.