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Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by nradov on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @12:04PM (#39372208)
Colleges aren't intended to be trade schools teaching job skills. This does, however, put some students in a difficult position. If someone wants to become a professional software developer and isn't particularly interested in becoming a well-rounded individual with a broad, liberal education then there aren't many good options. Coding boot camps exist but are generally limited and low quality.

You might not realize this yet, but occasionally overloading students with coursework is actually a positive. I attended an academically rigorous college and as an average student there was just no way I could finish everything on time in a high quality way. This taught me effective time management, ruthless prioritization, and the pointlessness of perfectionism. Those lessons were more valuable than the content of any particular course.

Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by kjkjadksj on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @12:39PM (#39372644)
While this style of educational methods might work for you, they don’t work for everyone and in fact they are very harmful to a subset of the population. Colleges seemingly are more willing to install fencing in parking garages than to look inwardly at why they have had to install this fencing in the first place.
Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by rayiner on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @05:19PM (#39376371)
> Colleges aren't intended to be trade schools teaching job skills

If that’s the case then we shouldn’t be funding them as such. Virtually all the support for public funding of post-secondary education is helping people get good jobs and get upward mobility. This is obvious from listening to how politicians speak about educational funding.

Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by bobthepanda on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @05:45PM (#39376629)
We didn’t get here from the supply side but from the demand side. Entry level office work does not hire with only high school anymore, and the students have followed. There are plenty of people who would not go to college if they thought they could get white collar work doing so; in 2024 everyone dreads the high cost of college education.

I don’t really think anything in college is particularly helpful for entry level white collar work, it’s just what the employers are asking for.

Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by nradov on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @07:47PM (#39377713)
Employers hiring for entry level office work only ask for college degrees because they can. During periods of relatively high unemployment this acts as an easy filtering mechanism to cut the number of job applicants down to a manageable level. If low unemployment rates continue then employers will reduce the college degree bullet point from a "must have" to "nice to have".

Of course, long term many of those entry level white-collar jobs are likely to be eliminated altogether by automation and offshoring.

Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by bobthepanda on Thursday February 15, 2024 @02:02PM (#39386901)
Do you have an example of a developed economy where employers backslid on educational requirements? Because I'll believe it when I see it.
Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by nradov on Thursday February 15, 2024 @03:32PM (#39388358)
Does the USA count as a developed country?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/college-degree-job-requirement/

Re:Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressu... by bobthepanda on Thursday February 15, 2024 @05:55PM (#39390428)
Huh, I haven't personally noticed that.

That being said, it is going to take more than one year of labor crunch for this to be reflected in the choices of students to go to school for a job years later. And I've heard of employers who have tightened the screws on older employees without credentials.