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Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by tivert on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @01:37AM (#39367160)
>> "training data is totally a violation of copyright"

> This really isn't clear because cognition is treated as a special exception to copyright.

Human cognition; not the latest algorithms and their output, which some enthusiastic software engineers eagerly confuse for cognition. It's actually pretty clear.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by throwaway09223 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @02:33AM (#39367442)
As I said, human cognition is a special case.

The open question is how to handle machines that mimic the process.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by tivert on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:51AM (#39371288)
> The open question is how to handle machines that mimic the process.

It's not really an open question, except for software engineers who've talked themselves into thinking of humans as computers. A machine is not a human mind, so does not benefit from the legal exceptions and rights granted to the latter.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by throwaway09223 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @08:06PM (#39377864)
This has nothing to do with how things operate, or whether an LLM is like a mind. It's a legal question regarding large scale compilation of data.

"A machine is not a human mind, so does not benefit from the legal exceptions and rights granted to the latter."

Five years ago this was true. It likely will not be true, eventually. The only question is where we are in this process.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by tivert on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:12AM (#39379666)
> This has nothing to do with how things operate, or whether an LLM is like a mind.

Huh? You brought up "cognition," but now that has nothing to do with it?

> It's a legal question regarding large scale compilation of data.

The legal question of does "copyright goes away if your violation is big enough?"

>> "A machine is not a human mind, so does not benefit from the legal exceptions and rights granted to the latter."

> Five years ago this was true. It likely will not be true, eventually. The only question is where we are in this process.

Because of the meme magic of enthusiastic software engineers will end the "carbon chauvinism" of humanity forever?

Yeah, right.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by throwaway09223 on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:55AM (#39379851)
I remarked on how human cognition is treated as a magical process with respect to copyright law.

This is just a legal fact. It has nothing to do with how an LLM operates internally, or whether an LLM is at all similar to a human mind in terms of internal mechanics.

> "The legal question of does "copyright goes away if your violation is big enough?"

Don't be fatuous.

> "Because of the meme magic"

No, because of the way the law works.

Re:Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book aut... by exe34 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @02:25AM (#39367404)
Carbon chauvinism at its finest.