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Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by Swenrekcah on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:12AM (#39301538)
There is actually no completely objective way in which it’s possible to determine the relative importance or sacredness of an individual’s life between one species and another.

There is no particularly good objective reason for me to value my neighbours life more than a fish.

However I choose to be an unabashed specieist and value any individual human life above any individual other life.

Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by ethanbond on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:39AM (#39302419)
Well the inconvenient thing is that objectively we aren't more important than other species. What you're actually doing is just overriding that objective fact with a subjective one.
Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by moritzwarhier on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:03PM (#39304415)
Well so objectively no life is worth protecting or what do you want to say?

Edit: or do you see cross-species minimization of pain as an objective objective (ha)? Or maximization of pleasure?

There is no "objective" answer to ethics.

But yes, if we want to base it on empathy, it would mean XY... so many philosophical arguments have been made about this. But it stands there is no "objective" ethics, at least to my knowledge.

Without even involving animals, there's not even a definite way how to answer the trolley problem without violating my subjective ethical values.

Human life as an ulterior value seems to be the best bet for explaining rational ethics.

Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by humansareok1 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:08PM (#39304492)
Go ahead and objectively prove humans are less important than other species.
Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by ethanbond on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:58PM (#39305201)
That's not what I said.
Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by humansareok1 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @01:51PM (#39305904)
Surely you should have no trouble proving a "objective fact"
Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by continuational on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:03PM (#39304414)
Important for what?
Re:Novel drug could protect brains from damage after repeat ... by ethanbond on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:58PM (#39305204)
Exactly.