As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery Shell Production

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by actionfromafar on Thursday February 08, 2024 @02:54AM (#39299442)

I agree with the general threat, but an aircraft carrier can still project force at a distance, so a foe must strike from a great distance. It's doable but expensive. So not sure about how quickly carriers will be obsolete or ever really. Only a really advanced and large foe can threaten them.

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Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by hef19898 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:41AM (#39300442)

Or a single sub. Happened more than once suring NATO maneuvers,a single sub getting into a firing position completey undetected, armed with torpedoes able to sink the carrier.

No weapon is beyond reach in war, or indestructible. And still, they have their use cases.

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Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by JohnBooty on Thursday February 08, 2024 @11:33AM (#39304004)

    but an aircraft carrier can still project force at a distance

In terms of the levels of force being exchanged in a full-scale war, it's not that much force and it's not that much distance, relative to what a peer adversary like China can bring to a fight in their own backyard.

It's ~130 ship-launched guided missiles and ~75 fighter jets. They will not be operating at a stand-off distance relative to the reach of cruise and ballistic missiles launched from Chinese homeland. And the planes are not going to be able to take off and land if the carrier is executing evasive maneuvers because of missile attack.

If you were China, how would you tackle that? Is there any reason you wouldn't just send several waves of several hundred missiles their way?

Carrier strike groups are still useful. 130 missiles and 75 jets is plenty to dissaude most countries on earth. Just not the biggest ones, if they have committed to waging a full-scale war against you.

China would definitely not emerge unscathed. The CSG would be augmented with a lot of longer range stuff such as US fighters/bombers/missiles/subs launched from elsewhere. But I mean, I think the CSG gets effectively deleted in the first few hours of war. Hope I'm wrong.

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Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by Tostino on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:39PM (#39308785)

Even in Taiwan defense simulations, from what I remember reading, the US always loses at least 1 CSG.

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