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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by BenoitP on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:03PM (#39264381)
I've read that he was the token engineer in the see of accountants, MBAs and consultants.

Cultural change goes much deeper than changing the CEO. Boeing might not be salvageable on the cheap side. Decapitating the company at levels 1-4 may not even be enough. It may require acknowledging that changing the flight envelope and software-patching it was a mistake.

This is a major can of worms on itself. This means a plane redesign, 6-8 years delay, and probably another round of WTO-unfriendly subsidy.

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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by JumpCrisscross on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:10PM (#39264493)
> I've read that he was the token engineer in the see of accountants, MBAs and consultants

The myth that engineers make better leaders may have originated with Andy Grove.

In truth, there is no evidence for the claim. Jack Welch was as much an engineer as an asshole.

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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by bee_rider on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:21PM (#39266568)
Interesting that Grove’s company would go on to provide some of the best evidence that putting an engineer at the wheel is no magic bullet.
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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by galleywest200 on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:36PM (#39268188)
It is not about them being better leaders, but the engineer (hopefully) considering the efficacy of their design over bean counting.
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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by shiroiuma on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:15PM (#39270715)
Having an engineer as CEO can get you dumb decisions like thinking the Pentium4 Netburst architecture and dependency on expensive RAMBUS memory is a great idea.
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Re:Boeing Finds More Misdrilled Holes on 737 in Latest Setback by shiroiuma on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:14PM (#39270703)
>The myth that engineers make better leaders may have originated with Andy Grove.

Quite possible, and what's really ironic is that Grove's successor, Craig Barrett (who helped start the company with Grove), also an engineer, was a terrible CEO. He was the one who made a bunch of bad moves: P4/Netburst + RAMBUS, Itanic, refusing to adopt amd64 or make their own x64-64 ISA before AMD, etc. The company did poorly under his leadership and only turned around when his successor, Paul Otellini (an accountant IIRC) took over and moved to the "Core" CPU architecture.

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