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Re:Empirical failures of the claim that autistic people lack... by Terr_ on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:31PM (#39254112)
> Most animals on the other hand, don’t try to deceive or control their communication methods in order to hide what they are really thinking.

I'd challenge that assertion. It may be literally true if you allow "all animals" to be skewed by masses of beetles, but then it doesn't seem very relevant to the subject of human cognition.

Conversely, animals that are related to us--or which have traits we consider intelligent--are often capable of deceiving others of the same species.

Probably far more than we know of, given that to detect their deception, we'd first need to understand animal communication. Consider cuttlefish that communicate by skin coloration. They may lie by simultaneously sending contradictory messages on each side of their body towards different recipients.

Re:Empirical failures of the claim that autistic people lack... by kikokikokiko on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:44PM (#39254253)
Chimpanzees engage in conspiracy and betrayal as a common feature in their societies. Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all.
Re:Empirical failures of the claim that autistic people lack... by Terr_ on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:31PM (#39256641)
> Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all.

On that note, It's been shown that in a lab--the location, not the breed--that dogs can use deception to get treats. (Not a surprise to most dog-owners.)