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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by Stratoscope on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:03AM (#39249582)
> A smoking gun would be a file with a name like cursor.bitmap or some code like "declare cursor_default = [ [ 1, 0 ... ] ];" from a major source (ms/xerox/apple) say, pre-1988 or so, with some comment above it explaining the rationale of why that cursor style in particular.

The Inside Macintosh pages from 1985 I cited above may be what you're looking for.

Especially page 158 (I-146).

It doesn't give a longwinded rationale of why you need an X/Y hotspot offset, it does much better than that. It shows you several cursors with their hotspots, so you can see why a hotspot is needed. And it lists the data structure to support it.

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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by kragen on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:22AM (#39250868)
but that is 4 years later than the xerox optical mouse tech report, and from a different company which copied their default mouse pointer style from xerox. it doesn't bear on the question of whether xerox was implementing cursors without hotspot coordinates at the time that they adopted the left-leaning shape

(i suspect xerox mouse cursors always had variable hotspot coordinates because it's, what, six microseconds extra in the screen update to subtract them? and i think smalltalk-76 mouse cursors have hotspots. but 01988 or even 01985 is way too late)

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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by lupire on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:39PM (#39252402)
Within 8 thousand years, people will figure out variable length storage and processing for integers. I promise.
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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by kragen on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:04AM (#39258479)
do not underestimate human stupidity
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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by Stratoscope on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:24PM (#39254043)
In one of my comments on the Stack Exchange answer, I linked to a couple of Xerox Alto cursors with different hotspots:

https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/52336/why-is-the-mous...

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Re:Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight? by kragen on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:03AM (#39258475)
this is great information, thanks! i think it confirms that even back in the mid-70s they used different hotspots
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