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Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by polotics on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:33AM (#39248109)
This was a green movement perceived as useful idiots by the empire, that was in its death throes already. Accepting this pressure was a way to save face, by feigning to accept the lie that all power plants were dangerous, in spite of differences in design and management.
Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by throwbadubadu on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:36AM (#39248391)
How save? Chernobyl's exclusion zone today is 2600 km², it initially affected 150000 km², Armenia is what? 40000 km². One well planned sabotage or airstrike, and the energy independence is not only gone but also an eventual long term disaster for much percentage of that land..

> It is now clear that Western use of natural gas and petroleum from aggressive dictatorships—which use cash flows from oil and gas sales to reinforce and expand their hold on power—has backfired badly.

This feels awkwardly over repeated today. Embargos as always of course don't work, still most of the West more easily than all doomsayers expected reoriented (while they ideally could have been off that much dependence already longer).. there is enough market to other countries and also circumventing embargos. Do the Armenians btw dig the uranium out of their soil and refine it?

Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by polotics on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:10AM (#39248524)
You choose to ignore one key difference between Chernobyl and the Armenian plants: the size of the exclusion zone in Ukraine was large because of the mad graphite combustion. As the plants in Armenia didn't have an insane design, no matter how well placed a strike the worst you'd get is a meltdown, like the Fukushima situation that killed nobody except collaterals of the rushed evacuation...
Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by serf on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:07AM (#39249891)
> like the Fukushima situation that killed nobody

well, that's wrong.[0]

that disaster will continue killing people far into the future with the way it was handled at nearly every step of the recovery. Tepco was great at playing the victim and spinning every facet of PR at their disposal to avoid looking like jerks.

the 'Fukushima situation that killed nobody' comment is a direct reflection of how well Tepco played it reputationally, even if they did a piss-poor job of handling it practically.

Thankfully the whole thing wasn't entirely unjust[1].

I agree with your points w.r.t. Chernobyl.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/13/fukushima-nucl...

Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by zer00eyz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:27AM (#39250429)
Tepco:

We need to put a fine point on this.

https://apnews.com/article/japan-fukushima-daiichi-radioacti...

There is still melted reactor in the ground, nothing is "cleaned up" we just dont really talk about it. Much like Chernobyl this is going to be a "generational" project for Japan.

Its handling of contaminated materials remains "questionable".

The reason we get less coverage than Chernobyl is that Japan doesn't have its hand out for money and technical support as Ukraine did to get the latest covering built.

Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by mpweiher on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:28PM (#39252277)
> well, that's wrong.[0]

Last I checked, Wikipedia is not entirely accurate here. Yes, the worker had worked at the Fukushima plant since 1980, and his cancer was regarded as a work-related injury for insurance purposes. However, it was not actually linked to the accident and such a link would be very difficult to prove.

"A decade after the triple tragedy that occurred in Japan in March 2011, the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) said that future health effects, e.g. cancer directly related to radiation exposure are unlikely to be discernible, in its 2020 Report launched today."

https://unis.unvienna.org/unis/en/pressrels/2021/unisous419....

Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by culebron21 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:14AM (#39248999)
> perceived as useful idiots by the empire

The empire is not a person to perceive something -- inside the communist party and government, there were many of points of view on the eco-movements. The "empire" had no single stance on the question.

Re:Nuclear power saved Armenia by Fnoord on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:23AM (#39249048)
Fukushima reestablished this green movement.

Who benefitted from the green movement then and now? Fossil fuel. Putin and his cronies, just to name an example.