Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by zuminator on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:39PM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I brought up the question of floating with respect to nitrogen/CO2 atmospheres (thinking Titanlike or Venuslike) not hydrogen.
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by lisper on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:52PM
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It's a moot point, but I still want to point out that "a gas lighter than hydrogen" is a thing: it is simply hydrogen at a higher temperature, i.e. a hot-hydrogen balloon, analogous to a hot-air balloon.
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by simcop2387 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:59PM
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I do not want to ride in a hot hydrogen balloon :)
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by eru on Saturday February 03, 2024 @10:50PM
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Why not? Hydrogen inside a hydrogen atmosphere is perfectly safe.
It's hydrogen inside an oxygen atmosphere that's the problem.
(So on Jupiter, you wouldn't want to ride in an oxygen balloon, ie you wouldn't want to ride in a hot air balloon there.)
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by thfuran on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:57PM
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Well, maybe if there's no oxygen nearby.
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by lisper on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:15PM
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If you have a planet with a hydrogen atmosphere, it's a pretty good bet there is no (free) oxygen nearby.
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by thfuran on Saturday February 03, 2024 @10:55PM
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Fair point
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by pottspotts on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:05PM
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How do you "fill something with vacuum"?
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by xyzzy123 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:09PM
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With a vacuum pump ;)
Re:How much bigger could Earth be before rockets wouldn't work?
by mr_toad on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:28PM
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> No. To float you would need a gas lighter than hydrogen, which isnt a thing.
The atmosphere gets denser further down. You just need a negative pressure vessel, or to heat the hydrogen, like a hot air balloon. At 1 (Earth) atmospheric pressure the gravity of most Gas giants is quite low.
Yes, you could use a balloon filled with vacuum, but lifting something the size of an orbital rocket in a hydrogren atmosphere would require a vacuum chamber at least the size of a city, possibly the size of a small state. It would probably be easier to build a tower.