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Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by Workaccount2 on Friday February 02, 2024 @02:04PM (#39232781)
The same with masks:

Put a water hose on mist and spray someone with it. Then put a cloth over the nozzle and try to spray them. It's self evident yet people just could not grasp it.

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by ggdG on Friday February 02, 2024 @04:56PM (#39234992)
It's "self evident" yet a large Cochrane meta-analysis finds no benificial effect of masks whatsoever:

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by Workaccount2 on Friday February 02, 2024 @05:31PM (#39235349)
You sure?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abs...

When the medical field phases out masks because they "have no benefit" I will believe that masking was useless. Also keep in the mind that the primary reason for studies showing masks not working is that people don't wear it correctly or at all.

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by ggdG on Friday February 02, 2024 @06:10PM (#39235734)
>You sure? >https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abs...

That's just one RCT. The Cochrane meta-analysis looked at a bunch of them.

>When the medical field phases out masks because they "have no benefit" I will believe that masking was useless.

You're putting the cart before the horse. In an ideal world, guidelines for the medical field are based on scientific evidence. But there's always a delay.

You better consult the scientific evidence to make up your mind.

When it comes to covid and masking, policymakers will wait as long as possible before aknowledging the evidence, because they know the public hasn't forgotten the draconian masking of school kids yet.

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by Workaccount2 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @12:34PM (#39242633)
If you read the study you would see that they addressed the issue of meta-studies on the topic.
Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by CamperBob2 on Friday February 02, 2024 @11:01PM (#39237439)
You can find a meta-analysis to prove anything you want.

It is an extraordinary claim that wearing a mask properly does not reduce transmission of viral particles. You'll need to come up with a physical basis for this unintuitive hypothesis if you want to be taken seriously. Then you can point to studies whose results are explained by that hypothesis.

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by ggdG on Saturday February 03, 2024 @02:57AM (#39238362)
>You can find a meta-analysis to prove anything you want.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I just rely on the judgement of domain experts.

In this thread I cited Cochrane, The Lancet, SciAm and Science Magazine. If you have more reputable sources, please share them here.

>You'll need to come up with a physical basis for this unintuitive hypothesis if you want to be taken seriously.

It's only unintuitive if you stick to the droplet model. SARS-CoV-2 however spreads like smoke through the air, as I documented already extensively in this post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39234677

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by nextaccountic on Friday February 02, 2024 @02:49PM (#39233271)
Are you saying that face masks are not effective?
Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by CamperBob2 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @11:14AM (#39241694)
He's saying that someone else got to him first. He has a meta-analysis, don't you see.