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Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @01:03PM (#39193418)
Are you proposing that my management should be able to see my chat messages and email ad hoc and without approval or assistance from IT, legal, or their management? That seems bonkers to me.
Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by zerkten on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:33PM (#39195379)
I can't reply to the reply to this comment, but you raise a key point. While employers control the data, they don't use it like people seem to assume. Managers are not managing if they attempt to resolve conflicts by attempting to decipher private conversations.

There are many ways to resolve these problems without resorting to spying on messages. In an in-person situation with a conflict, there may be no record. We know methods to resolve these conflicts, so I don't understand why people go immediately to "employers control the data so they can just use it."

Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:24PM (#39195256)
Bonkers or no, that is a current legal reality if you're talking about chat or email messages which are sent and received using employer-provided means. If an email address ends in your employer's domain, it's not your email account unless you're self-employed.
Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by luch on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @03:32AM (#39201427)
That's not what I wanted to say. With remote teams, you need to establish a way to organize the work using written communications which are either mail/slack/sharepoint/whatever and within this framework management needs to have a "view" into what the team is doing.

It means for example being systematically in cc for mail exchanged and being in every teams discord channel. The new social contract when working remotely is "you (the manager) can't look over my shoulder to see if I'm working correctly so I (the employee) need to show proofs of communication instead".

I've seen too many juniors working remotely that just don't communicate on their day-to-day work, and completely blindside their manager/coworkers which understandably freaks out.

Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by sokoloff on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @05:05AM (#39201984)
I think in all team and project rooms/channels/email d-lists, yes, those should be easily readable by managers because they're not contemplated as private. I think DMs and individual emails should not be accessible to managers (absent a very specific legal/compliance/HR concern).
Re:CEOs Are Using Return to Office Mandates to Mask Poor Man... by DiggyJohnson on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @06:06PM (#39210722)
Oh, I certainly agree with that, and was hoping this was considered the norm (as it has been in my experience).