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Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by andyking on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:32AM (#3918698)
Is it just me who finds these little spats between huge companies a little tedious? It doesn't affect my life, or my work, if Microsoft or Adobe or Apple takes Google or Motorola or Samsung to court for another expensive round of willy-waving.

I find it incredibly hard to want to cheer for any of these organisations, or get behind any of this stuff. These are just big, faceless corporations, each the same as the next, when it comes down to it. It's a bit like supporting professional sports teams, I guess.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by MichaelGG on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:02AM (#3918801)
Well, I like Xbox and Windows 7, and have only had a bad experience with Motorola.

Even so, the optimist in me is really happy about this. The reasoning is that if stuff gets screwed up enough, really having stuff messed up, then something might give and things might get better. Imagine a wonderfully chaotic future where iPads can't be sold one week, Xboxes another, and so on. It'd certainly further help illustrate the absurdity and innovation-limiting inherent in patents.

Realistically, I know it probably won't amount to much. Motorola and Microsoft will fight, come to some settlement, and the world will be worse off with yet another precedent set for legal abuse instead of actual competition.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by iamgopal on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:12AM (#3919124)
Things such as this ultimately prevent small medium company from entering the market. The wall is getting higher and higher.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by chives on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @02:13PM (#3920396)
I guess the fact that Google put them up to it as retaliation for the fact that MS did the exact same thing to them is lost on this thread.

Did you know Microsoft makes more money licensing Android to Google then it does selling windows phones? Yeah payback is a bitch. Its ok thread goers, lets continue ignoring the real issue here and side with one of the largest patent trolls: MS.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by m0nty on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:36AM (#3918710)
My "take-away" from all this is that, if this can affect Microsoft so profoundly, how much more damage could be done to startups and small businesses in the technology arena? Most of them couldn't afford the fees to start the legal process, let alone pay for a protracted fight on obscure areas of copyright.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by hef19898 on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:47AM (#3918755)
It could actually kill a lot of them. Patents are just fine as long as they are used defesivly. If they are not they can ruin everything.

Some effects I can imagine:

- Potential competitors aren't bought but sued to death.

- It could be harder to get founding if your situation is not sure, investors could loose their money

Consequence will be that start-ups will become more expensive again...

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by rbanffy on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:58AM (#3919044)
> Patents are just fine as long as they are used defesivly

Not really. Good patents are fine, but in order to use a patent defensively, you'll have to defend against something, most likely the abuse of an actual patent (be it a good one or not).

And it's certainly sweet to see Microsoft tasting its own poison. They have extorted just about every Android set maker (or Linux embedder) with a secret list of patents they paid Barnes & Noble US$ 300 million to keep secret.

BTW, this seems to be the soft spot of their armor - future litigants should press hard for the list to be made public. Microsoft will settle before risking exposing a weak hand.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by biot on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @02:11PM (#3920388)
If patents are only good if used defensively (because someone else threatens you with a patent infringement claim) then this is similar to having no patents at all. The difference is that if you abolish patents, patentable aspects of a product will become trade secrets rather than shared in a patent filing.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by r00fus on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @07:29PM (#3921712)
Take a look at Nest... it might very well be the nice high impenetrable barrier that $megacorps use to insulate themselves from disruptive challenges.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by JohnnyFlash on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:57AM (#3918784)
When I grew up my dad wanted me to be a business man. When my kid grows up I want him to be a patent troll.

When I was young the money was in innovation. Now the money is in stifling it.

I agree though. Tedious describes this perfectly.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by bad_user on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:25AM (#3918893)
I love this quote from The Pirate Bay blog, probably paraphrased from a proverb or something:

      In this year of the storm, the winners will build 
      windmills and the losers will raise shelters.
The world will keep on turning and innovators will find ways around any problems raised by the current laws. Either that, or our governments will start getting overthrown again.

Personally I wouldn't want my son to be a patent troll, simply because this is an artifact of the modern world, which can change in the blink of an eye, leaving my son with no occupation. However, the constant truth is that people creating value have always earned enough money to keep them satisfied.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by ForrestN on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:32AM (#3918922)
It might be tedious because you don't live in Germany. For me, the potential for major products used by millions of people to be banned seems quite important.

To make it more relevant, imagine that a major consumer product might be totally banned from sale in your country on the basis of a patent lawsuit. Imagine that, say, the browser you use, or the phone you were hoping to buy, was suddenly banned.

That would presumably affect your life, right?

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by andyking on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @07:24PM (#3921696)
Not really. I'd just use another product. I'm not so attached to Chrome, or Android, or iPhone, or any other tech product that I couldn't switch.

And aside from that, none of these 'bans' will ever come to pass--they're just lawyers flexing various muscles.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by Jun8 on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:42AM (#3918964)
And why do these bans generally happen in Germany?
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by jbigelow76 on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @12:10PM (#3919796)
Maybe a favorable climate in which to sue. I know there is a part of Texas that patent trolls like to bring their suits in due to higher likelihood of the defendant getting screwed. I'm pretty sure it's the same one in which Msft got hammered over their Office/XML patents.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by soc88 on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @01:47PM (#3920276)
? This is the first time I ever heard of a German court involved. 90% cases have been in East-Texas so far.
Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by tatsuke95 on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @01:50PM (#3920296)
Tedious, and expensive.

Between the pseudo-bubble valuations and all the IP challenges, in 25 years we're going to look back at this time with disgust at all the wasted resources.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by lunarscape on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:52AM (#3919329)
"It doesn't affect my life, or my work"

Unless you buy their products I guess. Lawyers are expensive and I assume that expensive eventually filters down to their customers. I wonder, for example, how much, if anything, consumers have paid for the 'Android tax' Microsoft has been applying to various companies.

Re:Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany by nickik on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:36AM (#3918711)
The lawers are happy about it. The law we have are just made in a way that it is still worth fighting instead of producing. I am not an expert on the law in general but I know that a lot could be much easier.