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Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by mkr-hn on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @07:27AM (#3918508)
You might want to hold off on the ideological rant and re-read. I think cageface was talking about application markets. I didn't know Google was using their market to bail people out and wage a secret resource war.
Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by cynicalkane on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:54AM (#3919703)
Why is this downvoted?

There's no reason to hijack a fairly specific discussion with a much broader ideological rant. This sort of thing has been happening on HN lately and it bothers me. It takes a potentially interesting conversation and turns it into an ideology measuring contest.

I understand that the theory of free markets in general might be applicable here, but the point is the way the GP is framing the debate it can't be resolved without much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by geon on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @07:55AM (#3918589)
> I think cageface was talking about application markets.

What application market is it that is open and always wins?

Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by mkr-hn on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:18AM (#3918661)
I can't read minds. You should ask the person who didn't appear to be referring to markets outside of app stores.
Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by epo on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @08:48AM (#3918757)
He said "open markets" you are putting words into his mouth to back up your own. ideology.
Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by mkr-hn on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @09:41AM (#3918958)
I've made no claims about markets. How could you even know if I have an ideology? That was an attempt at clarification so we could avoid the off-topic and inevitably unproductive political tangent batista was about to start.
Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by batista on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:28AM (#3919205)
>You might want to hold off on the ideological rant and re-read. I think cageface was talking about application markets.

The same hold true for application markets. In any market where money are involved and parties with interests of their own can get a stronghold on the rules, the results are the same.

>I didn't know Google was using their market to bail people out and wage a secret resource war.

Well, pushing their own apps to users with "picks" and front-page promotion is akin to a bailout. They can restrict apps that compete with their core businesses in a snap, they can change the rules of the game anytime, etc. They use it to do whatever offers them a competitive advantage.

Apple's marketplace is an even better example, as it is more closed. Google cannot close the Android marketplace at the same level, because they cannot do all the stuff Apple pulls and still attract developers away from more lucrative iOS at the same time (developers are the "scarce resource" here).

Btw: "ideological rant" implies that something I said re: "free markets" does not hold true and I say it because of my ideology. Can you point to it? Else it's not "ideological", it's mere empirical observation.

Re:Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox by kika on Thursday May 03, 2012 @01:03PM (#3924673)
>"ideological rant" implies that something I said re: "free markets" does not hold true and I say it because of my ideology. Can you point to it?

I can. You didn't say (as in "state") anything. You asked a rapid fire succession of rhetorical questions. Rhetorical questions are one of the best indicators of ideology (as in "zealotry").