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Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by steveBK123 on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:12AM (#39177129)
I don't think Steve Jobs would have launched this product.

Apparently the main use case Om sees this is replacing the family TV in the living room?

To me it seems to be pushing people to retreat further into isolation.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by CharlesW on Monday January 29, 2024 @12:05PM (#39178778)
> I don't think Steve Jobs would have launched this product.

Jobs wanted, and presumably thought a lot about, "headphones for video".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg

> "You know, the fundamental problem here is that headphones are a miraculous thing. You put on a pair of headphones, and you get the same experience you get with a great pair of speakers, right?

> "There's no such thing as headphones for video, right?There's not something I can carry with me that I can put on, and it gives me the same experience I get when I'm watching my 50-inch plasma display at home."

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by wharvle on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:59AM (#39177797)
The collaborative-working-environment, potentially on the go (from your hotel room, not a dedicated space or something) stuff looks really cool, but also very niche (and is only cool if it actually works well, obviously).

They may find enough of a market to prove out and further-develop the tech. I'm pessimistic about AR in general until/unless the hardware develops a lot further, but it's possible they'll carve out enough of a market with this to use it as a testbed and proving ground for later, lower-priced (and/or far more capable) versions.

Decent PCs used to cost this much or more, inflation adjusted.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by tomjakubowski on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:47AM (#39177618)
Yeah I could see that. But he also introduced the iPod, which people listened to 95% of the time with headphones. Granted, you could still plug it into a speaker at a party or in somebody's car.

Maybe the flopped iPod HiFi was a reaction to Jobs' feelings about the iPod isolating people. Who knows?

I think he mostly cared about selling a lot of products.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by shmatt on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:16AM (#39177186)
The sales numbers so far are pretty much on par with the iPhone 1, which wasn't that great a product either with no app store or 3g connectivity
Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by al_borland on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:46AM (#39177594)
I had an iPhone on launch day. Compared to phones of today it wasn’t great, but compared to some of the phones it was replacing, it was fantastic. I was coming from a Moto Razr, so it was pretty much better in every way. For the smart phones of the day, there were a lot of things they could technically do on paper, but no one did, because they were too clunky to use. The iPhone solved this. The features it did have were a joy to use and easy to figure out and discover.

There were also some pretty easy jailbreaks after not too long, which allowed for 3rd party apps before Apple had an official store.

I think the only things holding back the original iPhone were the price and production volume. As I remember, it sold out quickly. And everywhere I went people were every interested in it. The guys selling cell phones at the mall were trying to stop me to see it, a girl at the bar said having that was better than a puppy. Pulling it out to use it was like being a celebrity, everyone started paying attention and trying to get close to it; it was a very strange time. I don’t recall anyone saying they didn’t want it due to a lack of features, other than people online looking for clicks or who had a history of Apple criticism.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by steveBK123 on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:26AM (#39177314)
It's going to be a typical new category release for Apple where v1 has some very obvious flaws that prevent it from mass market penetration, which quickly get cleaned up in v2.

But I'm talking more like culturally / philosophically, I don't think Steve Jobs would have marketed it this way or wanted it framed this way. To that point I'm not sure he'd have green lighted the product at all. It can be very dystopian. The silly eyes thing seems like someone along the way realized that and is trying to mitigate it poorly.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by beska on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:50PM (#39180587)
I am pretty sure Steve would not have launched the Vision Pro. I remember his 1997 WWDC fireside chat where he said:

“You’ve got to start with the customer experience and work backward to the technology. You can’t start with the technology then try to figure out where to sell it.”

Given that, I don't think having a large screen strapped to the front of your face is a great customer experience.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro’s missing apps by threeseed on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:55PM (#39180678)
Apple has been working on the Vision Pro since iPhone [1].

So he absolutely knew that the project was being worked on.

And not sure why you think Apple isn't going to allow multiple AVP headsets to watch movies together.

They already have the technology with SharePlay etc to do it.

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/23/working-on-vision-pro-since-2...