Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform?

Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by actualwitch on Sunday January 28, 2024 @04:48AM (#39164048)

Habr has been utter garbage, for a long time. For people who are interested in it, I highly recommend to switch to russian content in the top right button and use google translate to see what are some of the opinions average user there exhibits. Forming that kind of obnoxious audience was a long process, first "woke" people were massively downvoted and banned, then people who thought women deserve same rights as men, then anyone who criticized government. At some point into that everyone who previously wrote any interesting piece of content just... left. The current state of the platform is what happens when you go the "no politics please" route.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by kgeist on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:12AM (#39164175)

>"woke" people were massively downvoted and banned, then people who thought women deserve same rights as men, then anyone who criticized government

Interesting, the poster below has the opposite view:

>Owners and moderators of Habr despise Russia

>they always optimized the karma system to stimulate the authors not for posting original interesting content but to stimulate those who hate Russia and downvote those who love their country

My take would be that Habr is OK with the both views and people only notice the bans/downvotes when posts which align with their political views are banned/downvoted.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by actualwitch on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:24AM (#39164247)

I mean, to know who is right the only way is to go back and look for yourself, correct?

https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/companies/habr/articles/6...

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by throwaway_5753 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:43AM (#39164355)

Looks pretty generically neutral to me. What do you find objectionable here?

Edit: I guess the comments are loading for me in goog translate. Is that what I should be looking at?

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by actualwitch on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:56AM (#39164430)

That post was a reaction to the war and a lot of people trying to talk about it and getting banned for it. It was one of the major exodus triggers after which the site was practically empty of engagement for months. Here's a link to comments, the gist is a bunch of people are mad that admins are choosing the "no politics" route:

https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/companies/habr/articles/6...

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by kgeist on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:22AM (#39165005)

You're on HN. It has a similar rule:

  Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by layer8 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @08:56AM (#39165776)

This rule doesn’t mean “no political topics”.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by dirtyhippiefree on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:23AM (#39166051)

However, it •effectively• does…

Intent of rule v. rule in practice…

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by layer8 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @10:18AM (#39166554)

No, it doesn’t. HN does have political discussions in line with the rules, that is, approved by dang. One recent example being https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39143043.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by vdaea on Sunday January 28, 2024 @06:31AM (#39164642)

People who like to talk politics absolutely everywhere have ruined every single social network I know. "No politics" is probably the most intelligent way to go.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by actualwitch on Sunday January 28, 2024 @06:47AM (#39164763)

You'd fit right in on habr, in a society specifically built to not discuss politics. Complimentary tumbleweed in comments included!

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by layer8 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @08:55AM (#39165761)

The problem is that what is considered “politics” has vastly expanded over the past decade or so. Most controversial topics today wouldn’t have been considered “politics” in the past.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by vdaea on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:10AM (#39165927)

>Habr is a Russian collaborative blog about IT, computer science and anything related to the Internet, owned by TechMedia.

In this context, demanding the staff makes public where they stand in the conflict in Ukraine is toxic.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by actualwitch on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:17AM (#39165993)

In context of habr, even asking "why'd my internet/corporate vpn stopped working?" or "why did I suddenly get summoned for a medical checkup to enlistment office?" are politics.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by fweimer on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:38AM (#39166176)

No politics is only feasible if your life or your existence isn't considered political in itself, or maybe if you can hide how you challenge the status quo without harming yourself.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by vdaea on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:52AM (#39166307)

I don't see how that changes anything. Even if you feel that way, a forum about computing is not the place to spread your political ideas.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by shagie on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:43AM (#39166217)

Keep Your Identity Small - https://paulgraham.com/identity.html

Which begins with...

> I finally realized today why politics and religion yield such uniquely useless discussions.

> As a rule, any mention of religion on an online forum degenerates into a religious argument. Why? Why does this happen with religion and not with Javascript or baking or other topics people talk about on forums?

> What's different about religion is that people don't feel they need to have any particular expertise to have opinions about it. All they need is strongly held beliefs, and anyone can have those. No thread about Javascript will grow as fast as one about religion, because people feel they have to be over some threshold of expertise to post comments about that. But on religion everyone's an expert.

> Then it struck me: this is the problem with politics too. Politics, like religion, is a topic where there's no threshold of expertise for expressing an opinion. All you need is strong convictions.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by ParetoOptimal on Sunday January 28, 2024 @02:39PM (#39169055)

I don't want to hear about your "no politics" politics ;-)

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by SomeoneFromCA on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:07AM (#39164898)

Habr IMHO has become shit because lots of Russian IT, the very best ones, have left Russia since 2022.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by kgeist on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:35AM (#39165093)

Maybe our company is not representative, but the only engineers I know of who left Russia (about 5 people out of ~150) - I wouldn't say they were the best engineers at the company. They only left after the mobilization started (feared of being drafted) and they already were a minority group of vocal Putin critics before. So to say that the best engineers left Russia is not true, from my perspective: it looks like it better aligns with people's political views, not their expertise. Maybe it's different in Moscow, which is less conservative (we aren't Moscow-based).

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by SomeoneFromCA on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:42AM (#39165137)

I live in Central Asia, and we have huge influx of Russian engineers here. I did not ask which city they are from, but they all are good. Better than average I think.

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by geraldhh on Friday February 09, 2024 @10:39AM (#39315870)

emigrants probably have above average motivation

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Re:Why good content gets posted on the wrong platform? by orangetuba on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:44AM (#39165146)

Please take your activism elsewhere...

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