Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simple cells can do it

Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by sixo on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:08AM (#39131050)

I mean. You could write program with a "mind" object that recieves a bunch of data through various sensory "experience". From the perspective of the "mind", the data is "subjective", and the mind is "implemented" in exactly a way that it can represent itself as an entity "I".

I don't think the biological reality is conceptually any more complicated, except that the mind and data are complex in exactly a way that completely hides the abstraction, roughly by being very good at ignoring meaningless artifacts of abstraction.

The hard part isn't imagining such a subjectivity, but imagining that I am that.

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Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by ChrisClark on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:49AM (#39131624)

But, where does the color red come from? The actual first person experience of seeing red. Not eyes seeing a specific wavelength, but your mind seeing red.

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Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by wry_discontent on Thursday January 25, 2024 @01:13PM (#39132577)

What I find so frustrating in these conversations is exactly this mismatch. There's nothing special about the wavelength that creates the color red, but the color red is completely distinct from that. They're barely even related!

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