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Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by blitz_skull on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @07:29PM (#39112000)
I find this incredibly hard to believe with all of the research on neuroplasticity. Not to mention there’s a VERY famous case that proves this is not a hard and fast rule: Helen Keller.
Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by bradrn on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @07:36PM (#39112070)
Helen Keller had already learnt a ‘home sign’ system, which was presumably language-like enough to allow her to learn English later.
Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by avarun on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @07:50PM (#39112181)
And this kid knows sign language too.
Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by hmcq6 on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @08:23PM (#39112438)
I just can't imagine we have that much hard data on the topic. Unless there have been massive breakthroughs in hearing aid tech that I'm unaware of.

Cochlear implants are amazing but my understanding is they're not 100% restorative. To make a bad metaphorical comparison with blindness, they're like glasses that restore your vision but if the only shape produced were shutter shades.

(pic for reference: http://lh6.ggpht.com/nML2bdK30Z0OS3cHBINnLcXCv6XVI8dWpLvMu8m...)

Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by phire on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @09:44PM (#39112991)
Worth keeping in mind that Helen Keller didn't loose her hearing (and sight) until an illness at 19 months old.

At this age, a child's brain has already locked in the sounds for their native language and lost the ability to learn non-native sounds (hell, research suggests that unborn infants can recognise the difference between their mothers native language and foreign languages before they even leave the womb). The typical child will have been using single word sentences for months and just starting to move onto two word sentences.

Keller might have regressed to zero language abilities after her illness, but she didn't need to start completely from scratch when she learned how to speak.

Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by SnazzyJeff on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:50PM (#39113758)
> Worth keeping in mind that Helen Keller didn't loose her hearing (and sight) until an illness at 19 months old.

While this is in fact an important sample, this doesn't imply much about how humans develop after 19 months, much less how they develop before 19 months.

> At this age, a child's brain has already locked in the sounds for their native language and lost the ability to learn non-native sounds (hell, research suggests that unborn infants can recognise the difference between their mothers native language and foreign languages before they even leave the womb).

We have nearly zero clue how the child's brain recognizes their "native language". We know they react differently at different stages of their development to the same stimulus, which is occasionally linguistic. We have nearly zero clue what the mechanism is that corresponds input to measurable output. This is a very disingenuous characterization of the data.

It's also worth mentioning that the root of this question is trivially false—people obviously learn language after the age of five. Such haphazard presentation (at best) should not be taken seriously.

Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by SnazzyJeff on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:47PM (#39113749)
Hellen Keller never developed the skill to listen to spoken language.

I agree with you fwiw, but your argument needs to acknowledge the above statement.

Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by blitz_skull on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @08:08AM (#39116828)
Hellen Keller was deaf. How could she _develop_ the ability to listen to a spoke language?
Re:Gene Therapy Allows an 11-Year-Old Boy to Hear by SnazzyJeff on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @04:31AM (#39115390)
if only this site could manage something more complicated than the dialectic of "not retarded enough for y-combinator" and "too retarded for y-ycombinator"

one day, y-combinator will give a shit about disability. There is not enough money in the game for the powers to be to care yet.