Israelis/Jews ARE indigenous to Palestine. If they didn't want to live scattered amongst other peoples who regularly subjected them to pogroms, that is prerogative; It is not for me or you to judge. A substantial part of the Israelis are Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, not the Ashkenazi who are being derided as "colonialists" (although that is also quite a suspect argument).
Israel's dishonesty is exceptional, it perpetually lies about pretty much everything from its origins to its motivations and its history. They want to be the perpetual victim and simultaneously the great conquerors, their politics are riddled with contradictions and deceit to the core.
>Israelis/Jews ARE indigenous to Palestine.
Nope, that's a lie. The overwhelming majority ~98%+ of Israelis are NOT indigenous to Palestine. Israel tried to manipulate people for years with this talking point but failed, most of their strategies are very well documented here[0].
>If they didn't want to live scattered amongst other peoples who regularly subjected them to pogroms, that is prerogative;It is not for me or you to judge. A substantial part of the Israelis are Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, not the Ashkenazi who are being derided as "colonialists"
Well now jews regularly subject Palestinians to pogroms[1] isn't that wonderful, the colonialists behaving like colonialists do, so it's not a derision, it's a fact. if it squats like a colonialist, steals like a colonialist and ethnically cleanses like a colonialist then it is in fact a colonialist.
[0] "Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhlUFPpXIVo
[1] "The Pogrom Against Palestinians That Brought the Occupation Home to Jewish Israelis" - https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-03-19/ty-article-opinio...
> Israel's dishonesty is exceptional, it perpetually lies about pretty much everything from its origins to its motivations and its history. They want to be the perpetual victim and simultaneously the great conquerors, their politics are riddled with contradictions and deceit to the core.
This is not a factual, falsifiable argument, so I can't even respond to it. But it demonstrates that your arguments are based on emotional opinion, with no basis in actual facts.
> Nope, that's a lie. The overwhelming majority ~98%+ of Israelis are NOT indigenous to Palestine.
So you're saying the Jews that lived there since BCE times are all mostly gone? I wonder why. Might it have something to do with the violent Islamic conquest of the Middle East? it is like saying the Copts in Egypt can be ignored as indigenous because they are small part of the Egyptian population now.
This is just infantile rhetoric, you're just regurgitating israeli propaganda but are accusing others of arguing based on emotions, keep projecting.
>This is not a factual, falsifiable argument, so I can't even respond to it. But it demonstrates that your arguments are based on emotional opinion, with no basis in actual facts.
Wrong, it is in fact a factual & falsifiable argument since there are many documented and contradictory ways zionists tried to justify their colonial project throughout history especially by regurgitating from a script which even the jidf[0] followed to convince people on social media of their false narratives.
>So you're saying the Jews that lived there since BCE times are all mostly gone? I wonder why. Might it have something to do with the violent Islamic conquest of the Middle East? it is like saying the Copts in Egypt can be ignored as indigenous because they are small part of the Egyptian population now.
And there we have it, when confronted with facts that are overwhelming you zionists always resort to reductionist and false islamophobic narratives. Too bad that your little hasbara story contradicts research of David Wasserstein - a Professor of Jewish studies who says "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth."[1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force
[1] https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...
This is just infantile rhetoric, you're just regurgitating israeli propaganda but are accusing others of arguing based on emotions, keep projecting.
>This is not a factual, falsifiable argument, so I can't even respond to it. But it demonstrates that your arguments are based on emotional opinion, with no basis in actual facts.
Wrong, it is in fact a factual & falsifiable argument since there are many documented and contradictory ways zionists tried to justify their colonial project throughout history especially by regurgitating from a script which even the jidf[0] followed to convince people on social media of their false narratives.
>So you're saying the Jews that lived there since BCE times are all mostly gone? I wonder why. Might it have something to do with the violent Islamic conquest of the Middle East? it is like saying the Copts in Egypt can be ignored as indigenous because they are small part of the Egyptian population now.
And there we have it, when confronted with facts that are overwhelming you zionists always resort to reductionist and false islamophobic narratives. Too bad that your little hasbara story contradicts research of David Wasserstein - a Professor of Jewish studies who says "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth."[1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force
[1] https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...
Wrong, it is in fact a factual & falsifiable argument since there are many documented and contradictory ways zionists tried to justify their colonial project throughout history especially by regurgitating from a script which even the jidf[0] followed to convince people on social media of their false narratives.
>So you're saying the Jews that lived there since BCE times are all mostly gone? I wonder why. Might it have something to do with the violent Islamic conquest of the Middle East? it is like saying the Copts in Egypt can be ignored as indigenous because they are small part of the Egyptian population now.
And there we have it, when confronted with facts that are overwhelming you zionists always resort to reductionist and false islamophobic narratives. Too bad that your little hasbara story contradicts research of David Wasserstein - a Professor of Jewish studies who says "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth."[1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force
[1] https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...
Noticed how little sympathy the people in Palestine get compared to people in Ukraine? Why do you think that is? If I was to say the Palestinians are Arab savages I would be reprimanded for being prejudice but making excuses for their continuing genocide isnt prejudice?
These commenters are just articulating the same venom that their parents and grandparents did, in a different way but its the same bile fundamentally. Preaching logic to hateful people that think they are superior makes as much sense in 2024 as it did in Malcolm X’s day. Dont bother trying to talk logic to people like that, they dont listen to your kind.
Thanks for clarifying. Most European Zionists, including Theodor Herzl, were and still are secular. These false post hoc narratives about religious motivations are a deflection from the real reason why Zionists wanted to colonize Palestine and it had nothing to do with religious folklore. It only became a talking point later when colonialism became a "bad word" and they were trying to legitimize their colonial project via other means.
>Noticed how little sympathy the people in Palestine get compared to people in Ukraine? Why do you think that is? If I was to say the Palestinians are Arab savages I would be reprimanded for being prejudice but making excuses for their continuing genocide isnt prejudice?
You could say that arabs or muslims are savages without facing any serious repercussions in most cases assuming that you live in Europe or America. In theory Islamophobia, like any other form of bigotry like antisemitism or homophobia, is supposedly not acceptable but in reality it is and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for it one of which you already stated.
In reality there is an hierarchy of victimhood, where the validity and impact of different groups' experiences are often weighed and measured differently by those in positions of power or with societal influence.
The biggest irony is that the same people who are quick to shut down any form of criticism of israel, by intentionally conflating a political entity with jewish people itself, by screaming antisemitism, also engage in the most viscous Islamophobic tropes to defend their apartheid ethno-state while seeing absolutely no irony in their own bigotry. So it's obvious that it's not really about being tolerant or civilized, but rather about cleverly weaponizing narratives to reshape politics in one's own best interest.
>These commenters are just articulating the same venom that their parents and grandparents did, in a different way but its the same bile fundamentally. Preaching logic to hateful people that think they are superior makes as much sense in 2024 as it did in Malcolm X’s day. Dont bother trying to talk logic to people like that, they dont listen to your kind.
You're correct, but they are also assisted by the fact that geopolitical dynamics provide them with impunity such that their psychotic behavior compounds over time because it never gets checked and thus mutates into worse behavior over time.
Regardless, your narrative is false because we know exactly what the founding father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, wrote about Zionism in great detail in his book "Der Judenstaat" and it was a colonial project from day 1. They even considered colonizing Alaska or Uganda before they decided to colonize Palestine.
There is no hasbara you could tell me that I haven't heard before in my 20 years of dealing with zionists. All of your narratives contradict each other and try to deflect from the reality that "israel" is and was a colonial project from its inception.